<p>momfromme:</p>
<p>I think you’re probably right about some Rep. senators resenting the executive branch power grab. But I suspect others are generally angy at the White House, and angry at this moment, because the administration has given the Dems a club with which to beat them about the head and shoulders.</p>
<p>Tarhunt – That, too!!</p>
<p>And I can’t help but think that Senator Sununu (R-NH) must be feeling pretty good, considering that W. was the one who fired Sen.Sununu’s dad as Bush’s dad’s Chief of Staff.</p>
<p>Tar and Mom: </p>
<p>Some pretty good analysis.</p>
<p>So, now it turns out that Rove and Gonzales were more involved than previously disclosed – <a href=“E-Mails Show Rove's Role in U.S. Attorney Firings - ABC News”>http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2954988&page=1</a></p>
<p>Gonzales has been saying he didn’t know what his Chief of Staff was doing. It turns out that before he was Attorney General and was still White House Counsel, Gonzales and Rove were talking about firing USAs. Previous statements to the press and Congress are now shown to be untrue.</p>
<p>TheDad was right 2 days ago. "“All roads lead to Rove.”</p>
<p>I still have concerns about all this being discussed via the Republican Party’s email servers and not the governments. Advance notice about possible changes in the US attorney could be invaluable to people the government is prosecuting, to organized crime, and to terrorists. Even if we believe that every member of the Republican party with access to read emails on the server is entitled to know that much about the inner workings of government–what guarantee do we have that the Republican party server is secure from outside hacking? </p>
<p>What other government information has been disseminated freely via the Republican party’s email servers? Classified information? Some of the personal data illegally obtained from private citizens? </p>
<p>My boss would have a huge problem with it if I were sending confidential company information via my personal email accounts. And rightfully so.</p>
<p>^ And therein lies the problem. The “Republican Party” believed that they were the government. (And, for all practical purposes, they were.)</p>
<p>Con man and your weenie friend</p>
<p>You’re in the Twilight Zone.</p>
<p>Fade to black…</p>
<p>Enough with the name calling. </p>
<p>If you have facts to prove that the White House staff weren’t using the Republican Party’s email servers to discuss government business–that all the released emails from @gwb43 were forged–let’s hear it.</p>
<p>But I think you’re the one who will have to venture into the Twilight Zone to do that.</p>
<p>Can’t you ever talk about the issues? Or is your position so indefensible that the mean-spirited personal attack is the only arrow in your quiver?</p>
<p>con man</p>
<p>why are you so paranoid?</p>
<p>Do you know what your comments sound like to the average John/Jane Doe?</p>
<p>The Republican party email servers…discussing government business…my god can you imagine it?</p>
<p>More with the name calling/school yard bullying. Haven’t you grown out of it yet?</p>
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<p>I would imagine that many people who love their country would share my concern about sensitive government information leaking out on insecure servers–especially given the high profile Republican who recently turned out to be financially backing terrorism in the Middle East, according to our own government.</p>
<p>But I guess to someone who cares only about party, not country, it makes more sense to call names than to address the issue.</p>
<p>con man</p>
<p>du, Kos, ariana…your health is worth more than that.</p>
<p>Push the “walk” button.</p>
<p>Vox, you really don’t give yourself any credibility by continuing the name calling, especially once you’ve been told it’s offensive. All you’re doing is showing is that you don’t deserve to be taken seriously by anyone over the age of 11.</p>
<p>voxdei: No one will take you seriously if you resort to name calling to make your point.</p>
<p>Oh the historians are going to have a field day writing about this presidency!</p>
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It is not at all clear to me that this proscriptive statement is a true statement…but if it is, on the last page alone, at least 5 posters will be disqualified from engaging in any further serious discussion. </p>
<p>Not to worry though; it is almost certainly little more than the supine whining common to martyrs, progressives and annonymous argument. </p>
<p>But of course, as always, I am against any “name-calling” as it too often results in hurt feelings and, of course, bad posture (slumped shoulders, droopy chins, etc.)…even amongst adults.</p>
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Again, I have no idea whether this is true or significant–if true; but if it is I am sure the NYT will be publishing the phone transcripts as they become available…</p>
<p>…perhaps the mob and terrorist guys will be able to check it out there to save time for more important things.</p>
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<p>I too have enjoyed Mini’s posts from time to time, but the tape loop repitition of these claims have made me conclude he is close to a crackpot…It’s not a question of the content of the claims – though I do have questions about their relative importance. It’s just the maniacal tying every conversation, relevant or not, back to them…</p>
<p>Frankly it made me assume he was quite old, but then I saw him quote a book I am interested he said was written by a professor of his who is still living, so this challenged my assumption in that regard.</p>
<p>The importance of the genocide and the lies is in the reality that the war in Iraq, and all the missteps that followed, would likely have never happened without them. Certainly Levin, Biden, Edwards, and co. would not have been so ready to embrace the Bush/Tenet WMD claims if they had not already been sold the same claim basis by Clinton/Tenet in 1998. You really can’t understand the underpinnings of American foreign (and, currently, domestic) policy without understanding this (and U.S. policy toward Iran since 1979). You can’t understand why the Iraqis didn’t enthusiastically embrace us without it; nor can you understand entirely why they want to kill us. You can’t understand why the U.S. is as much despised by pro-Western secular Iraqis as it is by the religious fanatics.</p>
<p>(And the firings of Attorneys Generals by Bush would look very different if Janet Reno hadn’t fired them all, for political purposes, more than a decade earlier.)</p>
<p>I don’t see genocide as a “pet issue”. I don’t see lying about it to cover it up as a pet issue. It would be a “pet issue” if I didn’t see (and directly connect) both of them to what we are witnessing today. </p>
<p>If you think it is a “pet issue”, you need to get out more and talk to some Iraqis, even those who support U.S. military occupation. Meanwhile, the Kurds are still waiting for the trial of Saddam Hussein for the use of poison gas against them. Convenient that it will never happen, isn’t it?</p>
<p>^ And thusly the hobby horseman becomes his own greatest parody.</p>
<p>Mini,</p>
<p>In all kindness I say this to you, I am aware of the past, the shaw, the decisions, the “How do we know they have WMD’s?..Cause we still have the reciepts.” </p>
<p>I know. I know. I know. </p>
<p>However, I can’t go back to 79 or even 95 and change anything. All I can do is remember the past and try to concentrate on the future and now. I can expect better NOW then before. Can’t I? Don’t you? </p>
<p>Yes, JReno canned all before, so did others at different times. Do you think that “Cause Clinton did it.” is a resonable response to the questions the current WH face? Is BC the presidential standard of excellence? Find anywhere where I’ve even hinted that way. </p>
<p>Shouldn’t each administration have their own high standard to follow? Isn’t that what most American’s want deep down. </p>
<p>This administration is so ham fisted with how they deal with issues that we can’t go a week without some gaff or screwup they have to lie about. AG is the latest lie. It’s not the screw ups themselves that are the problems as much as their explainations are. They all try so hard to divert criticism from themselves that they lie, get caught in the lie and now have bigger problems because of the lie. Just tell the truth and take the heat, that what you get the big pension for. It’s not like you resign penniless from the government. </p>
<p>So, again, I understand, but should I ignore today so hung up on yesterday or should I consider yesterday when I deal with today? </p>
<p>I haven’t forgotten the past. I’m just trying to deal the future.</p>