@LasMa "But is there something attractive about it to certain men? Men, perhaps, who don’t have such good luck with conscious women?’
It’s extremely odd. I’m thinking also of Bill Cosby and the innumerable roofie rapes. It’s probably about hatred and contempt for women rather than a sexual opportunity. Or maybe the guys are closet necrophiles.
A story with some of BrockTurner’s moms statement to the court. I am starting to think that much of the denial in this family stems from their obsession with his swimming.
As someone who has no experience with competitive swimming, is it an expensive sport ?
Hmmm…Do we tar and feather certain individuals or should it just be random? You know, to keep people guessing.
Regarding the mother’s statement and they’re being quite the opposite of ‘coming from money’. She doesn’t get it. If you even had the assets to draw upon (home equity loan, etc.) to hire private counsel for him, they have money.
I would compare the cost of swimming to something like travel soccer. You can swim more cheaply by doing summer leagues and swimming for high school, but if you want to be competitive, it costs money to join a year round team with good coaching and access to good facilities. Plus, like soccer or basketball, there is the cost of traveling and giving up weekends for the sport.
Thanks @GTalum . That’s what I thought . So most people would have to have some assets to fund the sport. What strikes me is the mother’s statement that the verdict ruined her son’s life , not that her son committed an undeniably disgusting act.
For D2, who is a zone/sectional level swimmer (next level above state), we probably spend $2-3000/ year with team fees, coaching fees, practice suits, technical suits, weekend travel to meets. And we are not intense swim parents like many.
She was heavily recruited to swim lower tier D1, but has opted for D3 at a LAC. She did not want to swim for money.
If he goes through with the appeal, does he risk being given a longer jail term if he loses the appeal?
He was a druggie in high school and he wanted to be an orthopedic surgeon? He had money to afford his drug habit. His sister knew about it but his parents didn’t or did they chose to look the other way?
Mother is definitely in denial. What would she has thought if it was her daughter that was raped?
He can’t achieve the dreams he had but if nothing else he is now internationally famous. (for the wrong reasons) Her pain is nothing compared to what that girl has gone through.
I see Standford students are discussing Turner in Yik Yak. And also in Comments in the Stanford Daily student media.
@3scoutsmom - that is highly, highly unlikely. He would have to lose the appeal AND the prosecution would have to prove that the original sentence was illegal, not just unusual.
I agree that the Mom is in denial but she probably didn’t know about the hard drug use. Dropping acid is not a casual thing - he was in deep.
Disgusting behavior on one hand we, as a society, decry bullying and yet apparently it’s fair game to bully a judge, bully a mother and father…but it’s OK if you “anonymously” bully right?
I just looked it up, in my area, for the best swimmers, the monthly cost is $180. It’s not a sport like basketball in which you can get good at by just playing a lot of pick-up. You really need coaching and pools are expensive. My brother was a swimmer and my parent’s made a lot of sacrifices to keep him swimming and I hate to say, if my brother would have committed a similar act (my late brother btw was gentle, non-violent, and respected women), I think my parent’s would have reacted similarly to Brock’s parents.
I will come out and say it. My son has been a pleasure to raise from day one, kind, hardworking, a joy to have and I’m so proud of him I could burst. He said to me yesterday in discussing the case that he would have been one of the guys who would have intervened to ensure the girl was ok and I believe that to be true.
However - if God forbid he did do something so wrong - it would be awfully hard for me to reconcile my fine young man with a rapist and I think I’d be in the same position as the parents, begging for leniency. I don’t know what some of you want from the parents. They aren’t going to disown their son. The purpose of these letters is precisely to beg for clemency by showing that this was one bad incident in an otherwise good kid’s life. What do you expect them to say? “Your honor, please throw the book at my son, he’s a danger to all women everywhere and we are never speaking to him again?”
“Her pain (meaning the mother) is nothing compared to what that girl has gone through.”
I don’t think mental anguish needs to be a competitive sport. Her life is ruined too and she didn’t ask for this.
I don’t think any one is saying that they wouldn’t beg for leniency for their son, I think where some people are having difficulty is on what the parents are focusing on while begging for leniency. Maybe it would be easier to understand if they didn’t focus so much on high priced steaks and not being able to swim in the Olympics . IMO. Those things seem to diminish all the things the victim has lost through no actions of her own.
Couldn’t agree with you more Pizza. I’m glad the media is starting to wane on this case. Enough already. My boys are just fine and maturing (too rapidly) from early twenties to mid-twenties but I’d fight for them tooth and nail 'til I was in the grave…most parents would. It’s a rare parent indeed that would emotionally disown their offspring.
But they DIDN’T focus on high priced steaks. The father, presumably not a professional writer, used it as a humanizing example of how badly his son was doing emotionally. Just because people focus on the one line about the steaks doesn’t mean that indeed, his governing thesis was “go easy on my son because I’d like to enjoy a nice steak with him.”
Enough already with piling on this kid and his family. Save your outrage for the hundreds or thousands of Brocks whose names you don’t know, and who may be in school with our daughters.
morrismm, it must be so hard to be a mother of daughters. Young women are so vulnerable, even if they don’t take risks. I read about the Vanderbilt rape case after seeing it mentioned here - absolutely horrifying! And Brandon Vandenburg is enormous. The victim probably weighed no more than 120.
The Turner case is bad enough, but the Vandenburg case is much worse. How can anyone be so depraved?