@Pizzagirl everyone knows that. It’s quite obvious. It’s still an incredibly clueless thing to say regardless of what he meant by “action.”
Well duh. But let’s not read too much into a poor turn of phrase. What’s that saying - don’t attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity?
I am curious, why would the PAPD transport her to Valley Medical Center instead of just taking her to Stanford. Seems odd to me. There is a hospital on campus. Why drive 20-30 minutes away?
Perhaps the campus hospital did not have forensic nurses or whatever they call those specialists in California.
So at this time he is in protective custody so that other jail mates don’t harm him. TMZ Sports is told Turner’s “protective custody” status is NOT due to the fact his case is so high-profile — but rather because he was convicted of sexual assault, and those type of inmates are often targeted.
The victim’s sister has also spoken.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/stanford-rape-victims-sister-writes-letter-to-brock-turner-w209779
Interesting article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/11/a-huge-myth-about-rape-on-college-campuses-gets-to-the-heart-of-the-problem/?wpisrc=nl_p1wemost-partner-1&wpmm=1. It is abundantly clear that boys need a better understanding of appropriate behavior. A couple excerpts:
Oklahoma State University professor John Foubert, who designed his school’s rape prevention program, asked a group of first-year fraternity brothers in a 2007 study whether they’d ever raped someone. They all said no. Foubert changed the phrasing, however, and 10 percent of first-year brothers reported they’d penetrated a woman against her permission.
“They don’t see this behavior as rape, perhaps as a way to protect themselves, to not be responsible for their behavior if that happens,” Foubert said.
And
A 1994 study found that between 25 and 35 percent of men lack knowledge about what constitutes rape, and a 2010 report noted men are more likely than women to have these attitudes.
“You can put a college student rapist on a lie detector test and they will pass,” Koss said — not describing an actual experiment but the depth of the students’ beliefs. “They sincerely do not believe what they did is rape.”
Wait… I’m having a hard time keeping up with this quick-moving thread, and sometimes skim past posts, so I probably missed this, but is it true that he not only used drugs in high school (as discovered from some texts), but he was arrested for underaged drinking? And this judge doesn’t think there’s a pattern here that needs to be punished more severely? Or did his record in Ohio get overlooked during the trial?
Anyone else here wonder if somewhere, down the road, some other girl(s) might come forward to share ‘their’ experiences with Brock, even going back to high school? I often have a hard time believing people get caught the first time they commit a serious crime.
He used drugs and alcohol in high school and the prosecutor reminded the judge of that before sentencing. There were texts and photos on his phone. Also, he got an MIP while at Stanford and according to his statement, it changed pretty much nothing. I’m not sure if his parents were notified of the MIP (minor in possession).
Again, trying to catch up on data here… Ken Burns is the commencement speaker tomorrow at Stanford. I wonder if he’ll allude to or say anything… maybe not explicitly, but implicitly. As a highly respected professional, his words could have a powerful impact on students about to be launched, as they contemplate what the big, ugly world holds for them and how they can make a difference. It’s kind of like the big, white elephant in the middle of the room if there are going to be as many students protesting as news reports are speculating.
teriwtt, in many minds, that stuff amounts to “boys will be boys” and is not to be taken too seriously.
Even that charitable reading shows the father is not fully getting the gravity and heinous nature of the crime his convicted felon has committed.
Sorry, but rape/sexual assault is one serious crime which DOES define one’s life from the point the crime is committed and especially in his case considering he was caught in the act by multiple witnesses.
It’s no different than someone convicted of violent robbery or murder. The individual and most in society will rightly view those convicted of such serious heinous felonies with a wary eye as to their flawed character and likelihood of repeating the same crimes if they aren’t incarcerated and thus, kept away from the public at large for its own safety.
And while the tests taken by the convicted felon has been interpreted by some professionals that he’s unlikely to reoffend…there have been many cases where such professionals have later been proven wrong when convicts who were deemed “unlikely to reoffend” ended up committing the same/worse crimes upon release. In the process, more victims ended up being negatively impacted. .
“Sorry, but rape/sexual assault is one serious crime which DOES define one’s life from the point the crime is committed…”
As it does for the one who has been raped.
Indeed. And this further underscores the seriousness and heinous violent nature of the crime of rape/sexual assault which the father completely misses when he whines about “20 minutes of action” or moreso…the reference to his poor convicted felon’s inability to enjoy a ribeye steak.
If the convict’s inability to enjoy a ribeye steak is the only or one of the few major issues, he really should be counting his blessings as it’s nothing compared with what his victim went through or will be dealing with for the rest of her life.
The father clearly feels that rape = “action.” not assault. When I first saw the excerpt I was shocked and felt “he couldn’t have meant that.” But, after reading the whole statement, it is clear, this is what he means. Nowhere in the statement does it allude to the severity of the crime and implies that Brock is the victim. Don’t the lawyers read and edit these statements?
@teriwtt I think you’re right. Even if not full-on sexual assault there must have been girls in high school with whom he’d gotten to “handsy” to use the old-fashioned term from the 80s. My guess is that especially in a HS in a small community no one was going to call out a local hero/sure-to-be-Olympian on it, though.
In her own words:
Her sister’s words:
The article also discusses Turner’s aggressive behavior at an earlier party, his misrepresentation of himself as an innocent led astray by teammates with regard to alcohol, drugs, and party culture, and the breast photo.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-stanford-attack-20160610-snap-story.html
As long as the survivor and her family want to write about this, I am going to read. I applaud them attempting to control the narrative. They are making it much more difficult to see the rapist as a nice boy who made an understandable drunken mistake.
Brock Turner is not an aberration - this is the human outcome of overlooking rape culture. I feel like we all have to take responsibility for Brock Turner. We are the village that didn’t do a good enough job of modelling correct behavior for our children.
I thought when more documents were released, we were supposed to understand the judge’s decision.
Brock looks worse and worse as more information becomes public.
You just read the probation department recommendation to understand the judges decision.
@momofthreboys,
I read it. I also read what the survivor said about the probation report. The survivor said what she told the probation officer was misinterpreted by the probation officer.
The probation officer got a lot wrong…
Toxic Masculinity…
I like this label.
Front page of the SF Chronicle today has a story with the headline…
Anger over rape sentence shows activism paying off.
I am going to try and link the story.
I agree completely.
On many past threads I have expressed my concerns that campus Title IX proceedings often too easily disregard the due process rights of the accused. I think it’s vital that we treat the accused fairly and have good processes to establish the truth and to determine whether someone is actually innocent or guilty.
However, once we’re sure that someone is guilty we shouldn’t hesitate to throw the book at them. I honestly do not understand why some people in this thread have any reservations about punishing Brock Turner. The 3 month sentence is ridiculous.
(Also, I don’t think there’s much point in beating up on Brock Turner’s family for trying to defend him. I’m sure he told them his own version of what happened. His parents are undoubtedly trying to cling to any slim reed of hope they have for believing that their son isn’t a cold blooded rapist. People’s capacity for self-delusion can be pretty large … for example, it’s the 20th anniversary of the OJ Simpson trial. How many tens of millions of people were willing to grasp onto any basis they could find for believing that OJ didn’t murder his ex-wife and Ron Goldman? A clever person can always find some way to provide evidence for people who desperately do not want to admit the obvious truth to latch onto.)