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<p>With all due respect Sir, it appears things have changed since 1982.</p>
<p>Is Taylor really Mary’s sorority sister? (gasp) What sorority are they in?</p>
<p>Tri-delt, but apparently someone said she only initiated. Perhaps, the sorority kicked her out after finding out her crime?</p>
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<p>I can think of a friend who lost their laptop to theft doing this in the last couple of months. In general, leaving high valued items like that alone is a bad idea, no matter what philosophical beliefs you have about those in libraries here.</p>
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Agreed. It’s prudent to protect your valuables. Just because many students abide by the Honor Code doesn’t mean every person who walks on Grounds does.</p>
<p>It’s wonderful to know that some student may return to an item left behind at the library by accident to find it there, but I don’t think anyone should make a habit of leaving laptops, ipods, or books unattended.</p>
<p>Well it’s not my habit, but I know I can leave my laptop for like 5-15 mins at O’Hill while I line up to get something, like stir-fry. O’Hill has cameras. =)</p>
<p>One important thing to note is that UVa has an open campus, so while the student strolling by your unlocked bike won’t steal it, that’s not to say the random person who wandered onto Grounds won’t. </p>
<p>I certainly feel there’s more honor and trust at UVa than some other schools, even if the system is imperfect.</p>
<p>so wahoomb, did you find out if Taylor Critz has been charged?</p>
<p>Apparently not, and if she were to be tried (~doubt it~), we’d find out next semester (if it is indeed an open trial)…if not, we’ll never know.</p>
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<p>When you say “charged” do you mean by the police or by UVa Honor?</p>
<p>The theft of the iPod might not have been reported because A) it might have been outside of Honor’s geographic jurisdiction and B) perhaps no one reported it to Honor. You see, Honor’s jurisdiction does have boundaries. They can’t internally bring charges against people so it’s very possible that a student could be arrested in Charlottesville for theft and since no one reports the case to Honor, the issue isn’t dealt with by Honor.</p>
<p>fwiw I’m a former Honor counsel.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I remember you mentioning this in the past. Why do you suppose Seigal (or anyone else) didn’t bring up Taylor Critze up on honor charges? </p>
<p>I don’t understand what is outside of Honor’s geographic jurisdiction. If a student steals, does it need to be in a particular location? I’d really appreciate your clarifying all of this.</p>
<p>That’s why Honor is such bull, of course that means if a student breaks into the Bank of America down 29, she obviously will not do it on grounds bc she’s within the “community of trust bubble”, it’s so silly it makes me laugh. And btw, someone already brought her up for breaking the honor code…will it proceed? I don’t know.</p>
<p>vistany, I don’t see how Mary Seigel could have turned someone in for stealing an iPod. It wasn’t Mary’s iPod that was stolen. Like I said, I don’t think Honor’s role is to comb the community looking for Honor infractions. People directly involved in this incidents may report them. Honor’s jurisdiction is anywhere on grounds, in Charlottesville or in Albemarle County, any off-site UVa location (continuing education, Semester at Sea) or anywhere else where someone presents himself/herself as a UVa student (job interview in NYC perhaps).</p>
<p>FWIW, where are you now cav302? Are you in law school at UVA? Just curious.</p>
<p>powderpuff, I’m still a 4th year. I’ll be working in management consulting in DC next year.</p>
<p>If Mary Siegel believes in the so called “community of trust” and knows about Taylor Critz’s crime, then she should report the case immediately. I am sure, though, that she is aware that her sorority sister has allegedly stolen an i-pod, so by not reporting to the honor committee, she is telling a “white lie” to save her sister’s assss.</p>
<p>On the other hand, this case is so messed up because the punishment doesn’t fit his actions; and it was not even a crime to begin with. Simply put, it was too trivial. Only someone as power hungry as Siegel would forward her agenda to Honor. I suggest you all read the transcript from the trial which is available if you call Honor up. I’m sure they’ll forward one to you via email.</p>
<p>Agreed MCMOM (post #73). Who are these Mary Siegel and Michelle Fox? On a bit of a powertrip, eh? Both just simple, silly, facilitators of a tiny class section (look at me mommy, they let me facilitate a class section, mommy!) and they goes off and assign this guy 2 papers to write? For a 1 credit class? W/O consulting whoever actually has the real authority? Sounds too much like an episode of Survivor, egos and all.</p>
<p>Esp this Mary dude…a bit of a hypocrite on other cases too, with a bit of a tarnished reputation already. Sounds like she’s just been exposed; not too late to expel her from whatever ‘incoming vice chair for investigations’ duties she might have. Do it now, B$ it’s too late. BYE BYE MARY</p>
<p>[Cavalier</a> Daily](<a href=“http://www.cavalierdaily.com/news/2009/apr/07/in-defense-of-jason-smith/]Cavalier”>http://www.cavalierdaily.com/news/2009/apr/07/in-defense-of-jason-smith/)</p>
<p>This is an article written by a third year law student who attended the trial. There are some serious flaws in this process.</p>
<p>Anyone know how the appeals process works?</p>
<p>Every student who is found guilty is offered the opportunity to appeal. The Honor website has stats and info about how the process works. I could be reading the data incorrectly, but it looks like only two appeals were filed last year. </p>
<p>I know a student who successfully appealed her case a few years ago. Sadly, the process wasn’t wrapped up until after graduation. </p>
<p>[UVa</a> Honor - Post-trial proceedings](<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/honor/bylaws/2008/bylaw032209.html#POSTTRIAL]UVa”>http://www.virginia.edu/honor/bylaws/2008/bylaw032209.html#POSTTRIAL)</p>