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<p>but you didn’t hear that from me, okay.</p>
<p>I don’t know the reputations of the divine nine, but the TKE comments are spot on…</p>
<p>You’re damn right we are elitist. If you can’t handle it you are a GDI who is just jealous of our looks, social skills, money, athletic ability, connections, etc etc. Go back to drinking koolaid and wearing hollister.</p>
<p>“You’re damn right we are elitist. If you can’t handle it you are a GDI who is just jealous of our looks, social skills, money, athletic ability, connections, etc etc. Go back to drinking koolaid and wearing hollister.”</p>
<p>Jealous of your similar and superficial looks? I don’t think so. Money? Uhmm, no thanks. I don’t go around wearing THE NORTH FACE everyhwere. Athletic ability? Are you kidding me? Frat guys drink all the time, and have no time to exercise. On the other hand, I prefer to play tennis regularly with someone who’s just as athletic. Connections? Sure, you do have your connections. That’s great for you, but that means you cannot come out of the shell yourself. You don’t start your career from the beginning and to me, that is not accomplishment. You don’t need your connections if you’re that smart. </p>
<p>go back to wearing the north face, and shove your kappa kappa pis in your faces.</p>
<p>Rigorous leadership style program? Are you joking? Sure it’s a rigorous thing to haze, but forcing rushees to drink 40 shots definitely doesn’t exemplify a leadership quality. Or forcing them to stand naked the entire night outside does not show how they’d be a great leader. If anything, it shows how they’re willing to sacrifice to do stupid things in order to have the connections and brand of elitism.</p>
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<p>Oh really? That explains the numerous D1 atheletes in fraternities…</p>
<p>At top universities, wealthy, Greek (attractive & sociable) students will generally have more fun and do less work in college and still land great jobs through connections. Others will have to work harder, to varying degrees. This doesn’t make anyone better than anyone else. To each his own.</p>
<p>It happens, my friend. Don’t deny it. <a href=“http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/73274/Texas_Frat_Boys_Indicted_in_Hazing_Death[/url]”>AGT Favorite Ashley Marina Cover Makes Waves Signing Deal with Universal Music Group’s U-NXT - Digital Journal; </p>
<p>The reason why there are so many D1 athletes in frats and sororities is due to their background. If you aren’t a star, why should you accept someone into a frat or a sorority? The fact that they are in the athlete enhances their eligibility in getting a bid.</p>
<p>northface=not frat. Anyway, I don’t understand the point you are trying to make. We are elitist, that’s what makes us great. A fraternity’s heirarchical rank is based on its selectivity, performance in IM sports, the quality of sororities it parties with, and reputation within the greek community. Thus, we aspire to bid gentlemen who are scholars, athletes, and leaders.</p>
<p>FRAT.</p>
<p>scholars and leaders? hahahahaha. let me think about that again.</p>
<p>If you read the biographies of today’s CEO’s, professional athletes, elected officials, astronauts, scientists and writers, you’ll find that many of them were in fraternities when they were in college. Believe it or not, mentioning your membership in a fraternity on your resume can be a major plus when applying for a job.</p>
<p>Just because the fraternities at your school suck doesn’t mean that every single one at every single school does. If you don’t like them, ignore them. Don’t come to CC to complain about it when you know there will be a large number of people ready to start a flame war with you in disagreement. If you can’t tolerate those of us who chose to join fraternities, at least be respectful. If you can’t be respectful, then your problems go far beyond the scope of this thread.</p>
<p>And, tennis:</p>
<p>They tend to have better grades…and know how to network. You think all the job related get togethers post-grad school don’t require social savy?</p>
<p>Wow! Where’s your data to support your misguided beliefs about your last (sarcastic) post?</p>
<p>By the way, leadership</p>
<p>Hmm, I know that my fraternity had leadership conferences they put on at convention every year, as well as multiple sessions during the summer of another leadership institute for members only. I also know that my fraternity paid for me to attend the Undergraduate Interfraternity Institute put on by the NIC. I had friends who attended FuturesQuest, another NIC program, on scholarship from my general fraternity.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nicindy.org%5B/url%5D”>www.nicindy.org</a> and click on educational programs for info on UIFI and FuturesQuest</p>
<p>Social “savvy” is known in academic literature as “social capital” and multiple studies have shown that individuals who have greater social capital earn more money. There are also plenty of studies that show that people with high levels of social capital are more likely to join the Greek system, and the Greek system is also known to develop social capital in people. </p>
<p>Tennis, you are going to run into many people who were part of the greek system when you get out into the “real” world, people who - like the ones on this board - love their organization and what it meant to them during their college years. People who will be offended by your shortsightedness, and may hold your GDI status against you b/c you hold their affiliation against them. Only difference between now and later, is that later, those people you offend might be your boss, or a client, or a colleague you are dependent upon to do your job. Antagonizing them will make it difficult for you to get ahead. You would be wise to develop some tact.</p>
<p>Also, 5 out of the last 25 (20%) presidents of the United States were/are brothers in MY fraternity.</p>
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<p>40 shots is an exaggeration. Drinking a fifth of alcohol in one night, which is what the article mentions, isn’t extremely rare-- I’ve done it. Of course, it has to be spread out over time, and could send someone to the hospital if taken too quickly. 40 shots in one night would seriously injure almost anyone, and I’m guessing the number of fraternities that “require” this as a part of the annual pledge process is slim to none.</p>
<p>Fraternities are great ways to enchance college life. I’m guessing you are extremely intimidated by the greek scene at UVa. You’re really bitter, and are only going to end up worse in life if you vent these frustrations in front of a live audience and not behind the mask of your computer. Why is academic elitism okay but social not? Isn’t it equally as “shallow” to judge someone by thier innate intelligence as it is thier natural beauty? Plus, developing a social network requires just as much work as many intellectual endeavors. Don’t fault others for your social akwardness and inability to interact with those in the greek community.</p>
<p>Also, tennis craze, the article said that the pledge would have had to drink about 20 shots of hard liquor, that’s definitely not 40. I also hope you realize that lambda phi epsilon is an asian fraternity, which, at most campuses is NOT part of the interfraternity council and is thus not regulated as heavily. For this reason, multicultural fraternities and sororities are known at many campuses to haze much harder and longer than typical IFC fraternities and pan-hel sororities. Also, at my school, fraternity parties are heavily regulated (no mass distribution of liquor, beer check, sober monitors, etc), but I have been to several MGC (multicultural greek council) parties, and they are INSANE-ice bongs, jungle juice by the gallon, shots everywhere! (a lot of fun though). My point is that I think you are associating “fraternity” and such animal house-type stereotypes to the old money white boy image, which it is definitely not.</p>
<p>tenniscraze,</p>
<p>your knowledge of the greek system at uva is marginal at best - and since uva’s greek system is atypical of the greek system seen at a national level i put your knowledge of greek life at just around nothing.</p>
<p>just because you don’t see the merits doesn’t mean they are bad. at uva - the real reason you join a frat is this. there are 12,000 undergrads. you join a house, now you have 60 guys who are like you and are immediately your friends and will have your back. you have a house to hang out and party in. your boos is provided. you have a place to come back to when you’re an alumni - even years after you graduate. yes you pay dues - and your dues go towards (surprise) having this house and paying for parties/boos - among other stupid fees that nationals requires. anything outside of that is simply a bonus - as first years don’t join frats for networking purposes.</p>
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I have to correct you on something. Membership dues pay for more than houses and parties. Most local/regional GLOs and all national GLOs require their chapters to have liability insurance, which in itself is costly. In many organizations, dues also go to scholarship programs, charities, and other community service projects.</p>
<p>As for tenniscraze, you’re utterly hopeless. I, and the other greeks in this thread have written corrections to every statement you posted, but you just won’t learn. The fact of the matter is, being in a fraternity, sorority, or a society is hard work. There’s so many little things to take care of it’s mind boggling. Therefore, fraternities, sororities, and societies all look for potential members that they believe can handle the hard work of being greek. If you don’t make the cut before or during the pledge process, then sorry. If that makes us elitist, well I can’t speak for anyone else, then I guess I’m one elitist *****.</p>
<p>someone (tenniscraze) sounds bitter.</p>
<p>what fraternities/sororities are all yall in?</p>