<p>^maybe this is why he dislikes frats?</p>
<p>my gdi defines you as a g-d d*mn idi%t. there are many different stories about pledges who died from hazing. Amongst these are:</p>
<p>Chad Saucier, a Phi Delta Theta pledge at Auburn University, who died as a result of binge drinking in 1991;</p>
<p>Amanda Smith, a Phi Mu pledge at Widener University in Pennsylvania, who suffered psychologically as a result of a humiliating hazing ritual;</p>
<p>Gabriel Higgins, a University of Texas student who pledged a spirit club, the Texas Cowboys, and died as a result of an alcohol-related accident in 1995.</p>
<p>Joseph Jeremy Snell, a University of Maryland student, one of several Omega Psi Phi pledges requiring hospital attention for injuries sustained during hazing.</p>
<p>Jessica Zimmerman, a Kappa Kappa Gamma pledge at DePauw University, who left the chapter when her Big Sister insisted on branding her with a cigarette.</p>
<p>Now go drink beer, get drunk, and get spanked.</p>
<p>I rushed a large IFC fraternity last year, and was not hazed at all. While I did not join the fraternity, I have respect for them. The OP is fighting a pointless battle. Even if fraternities are elitist, what is this thread going to do about it.</p>
<p>discourage people from joining, duh.</p>
<p>Why? Just so you can share your grossly misguided sense of superiority with someone else?</p>
<p>WOW. Are you really that stupid tenniscraze? You site ONE death from a greek organization in those headlines. Spirit club? Texas Cowbowys? Definitely GDI. Omega Phi Psi is an NPHC fraternity, which, yes, typically haze harder and longer than IFC or panhel houses. Also, I hope you know that phi delt event of which you speak is a reason central to why that fraternity is now nationally DRY. None of my non greek friends speak as you do because they realize its a choice. I personally think playing tennis is boring, but I have tremendous respect for tennis players. I do triathlons. I bet you would never think of doing one (if you are/have, then good for you), but that doesnât make it stupid. In fact, i care more about triathlon than I do about my fraternity. Seriously, you must really be socially awkward. Please go meet some girls or something.</p>
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<p>IMpossible. heâs gay. As in literally. Heâs the former VP of the queer-straight alliance or something like that at UVA.</p>
<p>And his raging hatred of anyone and anything associated with the greek system, be it minority interest/social/academic/professional fraternities, clearly prevents him from seeing through his own misconceptions that heâs already formed.</p>
<p>I know I only speak for one sorority, but we are so completely the opposite of the âstereotypical sorority.â We emphasize leadership, personal development through community service, and good grades. Collectively, in fact, our house has the 3rd highest GPA out of all the houses of my sorority nationwide. Hazing is completely illegal. We werenât even allowed to do study hours last semester because it is considered âhazing.â Alcohol of any kind is also not allowed in the house. And there are probably only about 5-10 people in the house who actually go to parties. The rest of us would rather watch movies in the dorm (we donât live in the house). We also donât look like your typical sorority - a good 1/4 of the house is overweight, we have people of several different races and many different majors, etc⊠And I love the experiences I have had as a part of my sorority so far. Iâm so glad I decided to go through recruitment.</p>
<p>Star, it doesnât matter what youâre experience has been. Tenniscraze is unwilling to listen or be reasonable. He has an agenda, and anything that may contradict his opinion will be ignored.</p>
<p>After looking at my own house, Iâll flat out say agree that my house is concerned with being the elite and finding guys who also are looking to be successful. We donât want losers. The result, roughly 45% of the guys in my chapter who have graduated in the last 4 years are currently pursuing advanced degrees. That includes 8 MDâs, 14 JDâs, 2 PhDâs, 2 Masters of Architecture, 1 MS in Agricultural engineering, 1 PharmD, 5 MBAâs, and 5 DDSâs. Looks like our elitism is working out pretty wellâŠ</p>
<p>tennis craze wishes he could frat hard, but he will always be a gdiâŠwow im drunk</p>
<p>do yourself a favor and go drink some more fratty beer, gdf!</p>
<p>âIMpossible. heâs gay. As in literally. Heâs the former VP of the queer-straight alliance or something like that at UVA.â</p>
<p>wow. what a stalker you are.</p>
<p>You know⊠not all sorority girls are chesty blonde cheerleaders with rich daddies, and not all sororities/frats are evil soul-sucking machines designed to unite the snobby rich kids in drunkness and debauchery. I donât know what your basis is for making all these sweeping generalizationsâeven if UVAâs greek scene is truly as bad as you say, there are plenty of frats and sororities out there that donât fall so neatly into your big, bad stereotyped categories. </p>
<p>Iâll give you an exampleâpersonally, Iâm in an ISC sorority, and when I pledged, we had to attend a lot of meetings/events and memorize many facts about the sororityâbut no one ever made us drink or humiliated/hurt us, like you seem to think. Being ISC means my sorority is traditionally white, but in my chapter, weâve got Asian girls, African American girls, Hispanic girls, even one Native American girl. Sure, weâve got some girls who wear a lot of Juicy (and one of our girls drives a BMW), but a good number get financial aid and work to pay their dues each quarter.</p>
<p>What we do have is volleyball and rugby and soccer players; we do have staffers for the campus paper and the undergrad research journal and the humor magazine; we do have middle-school mentors and soup kitchen volunteers and Relay for Life organizers. We have chemical engineers and art history majors, pre-meds and pre-lawsâand our chapter GPA has averaged about 3.5 every semester since Iâve been an active. </p>
<p>Yes, we go out to parties and have mixers with other frats/sororities, but you know what? So do the non-Greeksâthe majority of college kids tend to go out on Friday nights and drink socially. At my school, at least, the percentage of Greek students taken to ER for drinking isnât significantly higher than the percentage of Greeks in the student body as a wholeâin other words, being Greek doesnât make it more likely that youâll drink your way to the hospital. Being careless, irresponsible, unsure of your own tolerance levels, or overconfident IS going to make it more likely⊠But we wonât go there. </p>
<p>Anyways, back to my point: If you strongly believe that going Greek is a unanimously bad choice at every chapter, at every schoolâthen tell me, point by point, whatâs so bad about my sorority experience. Is it bad because itâs helped me meet more girls, from all walks of life, who I otherwise may not have gotten to know? Is it bad because it has caused me to participate in more community service events, from Make A Wish fundraisers to cooking breakfast for the homeless? Is it bad because it has helped me increase my network to include alumni in my career field of interest and older girls who have sound advice to give on classes and pre-professional considerations?</p>
<p>And BTW⊠Donât just brush me off and not respond to what Iâm saying, like you did to the others who said they had positive Greek experiencesâI want you to let me know exactly what is wrong with my sorority experience, and why Iâm an evil elitist snob whoâs obviously only interested in boys and drinking. Iâll be waiting, ok?</p>
<p>I donât know, but am also against the whole Greek system. Itâs great in theory: brotherhood, sisterhood, etc⊠But I get so ****ed off at the audacity of some of the actions of greek houses (especially fraternities.) Iâm not saying this because I âresentâ not being Greek- my brother is a Chi Phi and so many of my friends from high school are Tri-Delts at UNC. </p>
<p>The system IS elitist. It does suppress diversity and champion rich little white girls and boys. I fit that stereotype⊠but I still think that it must be horrible to be on the other side of that. </p>
<p>But I think that itâs the laughable hoops that greek houses force their pledges to jump through that makes it ridiculous⊠One sorority at UNC forces all girls to make 3 outfit changes throughout the day: one outfit must be pink, one must include a skirt, and the last is a going out outfit. I mean way to push against male oppression- way to show the world our brains and begin to change the world. Great job!</p>
<p>Itâs funny to hear about all the stuff my brother went through as he was pledging⊠singing Tim McGraw naked outside a sorority house, getting blackout drunk at least 3 nights a week.</p>
<p>However, I still think that the Greek system is a ridiculous tradition that upholds traditional gender roles and sort of makes me disgusted⊠Haha but at the same time, I still am weirdly proud of my brother.</p>
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I used to think that too, but than I though, so is college admissions! Thatâs why we all want to go to the best schools, because we are all elitists. The greek system stopped bothering me when I thought of that. Selection/elitism are good. There is a difference between arragance and elitism. If I wasnât an elitist I wouldnât be where I am right now, and neither would 99% of anyone on CC. Anywho rush starts today!!! :)</p>
<p>My son is greek, and thankfully, I donât know half or even 75% of what they do. Iâm sure I would drop dead of a heart attack if I did know.</p>
<p>One thing I can tell you about greeks. They are brothers, and they are united because they are continually batteling a system that is trying to get rid of them (ie., the school and people like you). </p>
<p>So tennis guy, with the stuff that you and others spew that are anti-greek, you should pat yourselves on the back. You are slowly eliminating a system that all in all, if you take away the stupid things they do, they are great, great people who end up being leaders of industriesâŠbecause they arenât afraid of anything, (well, except people like you who spread their anti-greek venom).</p>
<p>Even if you eliminate the greek system, people who are the same, tend to flock togetherâŠand these guys will still flock together and hang out and become captains of their industries and recruit one another in the business world So, you may say what you want about greeks and slowly put the death knell to them, but you will never eliminate these guys from the universe. Thatâs what makes us a great country. Diversity. These guys are their own group, and thatâs not a bad thing.</p>
<p>Leave them be.</p>
<p>^^^^Amazing post. One correction. We arenât afraid of anti greek gdis by ANY means. We take them head on when they refuse to listen to reason. FRAT.</p>
<p>Momwithquestions:
I donât really have a problem with the Greek System, other than the fact that itâs just not my scene. I do, however, have a problem with the attitude that Greeks are better than everyone else. âCaptains of industries?â Sure, sometimes. So are other people. Presenting fraternities as a collection of the best and the brightest who will one day rule the world kind of proves the OPâs point.</p>
<p>âI do, however, have a problem with the attitude that Greeks are better than everyone else.â</p>
<p>Not necessarily true. Beside who controls your feelings? you do. Nobody makes you feel a certain way except for you. The kids I have met in the system for the most part are average kids, some really smart, some not so much. Some rich, some poor. Outside of the sweatshirt with the funny lettering, theyâre you. Besides you probably play halo against them anyway and never know it. </p>
<p>And I would agree itâs not the best and the brightest. Itâs a group of guys and gals that want to belong to an organization that works for them, in the same way a chruch works for someone else. Unless they have done you grevious harm, whatâs the problem?</p>
<p>âBeing ISC means my sorority is traditionally white, but in my chapter, weâve got Asian girls, African American girls, Hispanic girls, even one Native American girl.â</p>
<p>Just because you have girls from different races does not translate to a positive experience. Being traditionally white - and therefore more susceptible to being racially judged - always makes a sorority feel the need to recruit at least a few minorities. But if you truly are diverse, then why not pick a sorority girl from every race that exists on this planet? Please accomplish this before you admit to your positive experience. </p>
<p>I never said GPA had anything to do with elitism. I donât care whatever your GPA is, but sororities promote segregation racially and socially through excluding rushees who do not qualify to join the sorority. Now, that is discriminating. What sororities effectively do is to group a large number of girls interested in rushing, and then grouping them further into sororities. In fact, you do NOT meet girls from all walks of life but the same walk of âdeathâ.</p>