"Free tuition for vow to stay?"

<p>“Would you agree to live and work in Wisconsin for 10 years after college if the state offered to pay your tuition costs for all four years?” In Wisconsin, this is the question that a state commission is posing in an effort to overhaul the entire University of Wisconsin System to reverse an exodus of college graduates and potentially transform the state’s economy:</p>

<p>"“We need to put some bold ideas out there,” said Mark O’Connell, the commission member who proposed what some are calling the “big bang” idea because of its revolutionary approach.</p>

<p>“I have yet to find a group that does not see the benefit,” said O’Connell, who is executive director of the Wisconsin Counties Association.</p>

<p>As the theory goes, a captive work force of college graduates would attract new industry to Wisconsin, along with higher-paying jobs. Those workers, in turn, would pay more income taxes and sales taxes, providing the state with the millions of dollars needed to offer free tuition.</p>

<p>The state currently collects more than $800 million a year in tuition and fees from 160,000 students on UW campuses statewide.</p>

<p>O’Connell said he envisions the state requiring a 10-year commitment from anyone who earns a bachelor’s degree here, or a five-year commitment in exchange for an associate’s degree from a two-year college or tech school.</p>

<p>If a graduate decided to leave Wisconsin early, that person would be free to go - with a bill in the mail to reimburse the state for the free tuition…</p>

<p>Proponents of the concept say it’s modeled on a program in Ireland that cost more than $3 billion a year, but has been credited with helping Ireland become one of the fastest-growing economic forces in Europe.</p>

<p>Rep. Sue Jeskewitz (R-Menomonee Falls), another commission member, described the free tuition program as “scary” because the payback in terms of economic development would not be guaranteed.</p>

<p>Jeskewitz said she has not decided whether to back the idea.</p>

<p>“It is a great concept,” she said. “I don’t know if the citizens of Wisconsin are ready for it.”</p>

<p>The state already pays $990 million annually into the UW System, which spends $4.1 billion a year to operate 13 four-year universities and 13 two-year campuses.</p>

<p>O’Connell and Torinus said the state could fund the program by borrowing on the municipal bond market, then pay off the bonds with the increased tax revenue expected from residents in higher-paying jobs.</p>

<p>Torinus likened the arrangement to tax-increment financing districts, which allow local governments to borrow to build new infrastructure then repay the debt by harnessing the increased property tax growth from the resulting real estate developments.</p>

<p>“Why the hell can’t we do that with education?” he said.</p>

<p>For years, Wisconsin has struggled with a “brain drain” resulting in the loss of college graduates who are drawn not only to Sun Belt communities, but other markets perceived as having better qualify of life, such as Minneapolis, Boston and Seattle.</p>

<p>Fearing that industry and growth are following the new graduates and bypassing Wisconsin, government and business leaders in recent years have focused on various ideas for educational reform.</p>

<p>Doyle’s new program, known as the Wisconsin Covenant, would cost $7 million to $10 million a year to guarantee college admission to any high school graduate with good grades.</p>

<p>O’Connell said taking that concept one step further - making college free - could jump-start the economy so much that the state could afford to both pay off the tuition bonds and make quality-of-life improvements in Wisconsin.</p>

<p>“We will attract smart young people,” he said. “They will stay here, and they will want their children to stay here.”"</p>

<p>This would be impossible to run. The idea is not even half-baked.</p>

<p>Ten years?!</p>

<p>It’s an interesting idea, but what if something came up after nine years. You’d have to have some sort of graduated payback system I think.</p>

<p>sounds somewhat similar to state programs that “forgive” college loans in exchange for teaching or other needed service in the state; worked for me.</p>

<p>A captive work force does not equal higher paying jobs, IMO. Sounds like a prison - and those are not living wages.</p>

<p>The real estate analogy is wrong, too. That works because the people buying the real estate already have high paying jobs. This plan does not create jobs.</p>

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<li> 10yrs is way too long.</li>
<li> Look for unintended consequences. Instead of keeping the best, you will more likely keep the worst. The best will get bought away, poached by employers who will be willing to pay off the college debt. The worst would have stayed in Wisconsin anyway, so the state gives up tuition and gets back nothing.</li>
<li> A captive work force is probably not a happy (efficient, productive) work force. * just 3 more years of this crap and I can leave this godforsaken place! *</li>
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<p>At least they are thinking outside the box.</p>

<p>10 years!! The Army offers a much better deal, don’t they?</p>

<p>Being from Ohio, I totally love this idea. It would prevent brain flight, and guarantee the state some ROI. Brilliant!</p>

<p>That plan would be enough to convince me to live elsewhere. Who wants to be held captive for 10 years regardless of the changes and opportunities that might require a move? Forcing people to stay in the State is not going to improve jobs. </p>

<p>I have a better, cheaper plan. Why not improve the colleges and reduce OOS tuition costs. That would attract OOS students. Many would be likely to stay if there were jobs for them.</p>

<p>I think NC had some sort of program for teachers when it was suffering an acute shortage of them. Free or greatly reduced tuition was offered in exchange for teaching in state for a number of years.</p>

<p>I am a bit surprised as UWisconsin Madison shows up on many college lists here in the NE. But come to think, I don’t know of any other state school in Wisconsin. They might do better with programs like those that Florida (Bright Futures) or Georgia with Hope have. They have been very successful keeping their good student in state with those programs and increasing the selectivity of their flagship school. I have not looked up Wisconsin’s flagship U’s OOS student %s, but I would think it is pretty high from the number of non Wisconsin kid I know going there. Unlike Minnesota or Iowa or Idaho, or a number of states out there with good flagship U’s that are not as well known OOS, Wisconsin is considered “up there” with Michigan.</p>

<p>In HI, we have MANY underemployed college grads; not sure that the free college tuition idea would improve that situation. Can certainly see value in loan forgiveness programs, which might be an easier way to handle this, particularly if the student gets a job say teaching or nursing or any of the specified fields where the state has a shortage of skilled employees. It IS an interesting thought.
Our state is dangling some merit scholarships at HI HS grads to get them to attend in-state flagship U, for the 1st time. Not sure how effective the program will be–lots of our high achieving HSers head off for OOS Us – many do not return because the job market is limited in HI, even tho loved ones are in HI.</p>

<p>Any particular majors? What if you can’t get a job? What about prof school or grad school? Do those years count in the payback if you attend grad school in state?</p>

<p>I’m not sure it is such a bad plan, usually in a state there a lot of people who want to remain in that state, close to family, etc. This would add an extra incentive. But unless it was tied to specific majors/jobs, I’m not sure how keeping a lot of unemployed college grads helps.?</p>

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<p>Maybe in HI, you could offer free tuition to people who would LEAVE HI after graduation…</p>

<p>Actually, neighbor’s kid just returned home after graduating from college in HI. He never could catch on with a career job there 2 years after graduation.</p>

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The program would be voluntary, so nobody is forced to participate. I think the idea has merit. Perhaps because I know so many wildly successful people who have never lived or worked more than ten miles from their hometown, I am more receptive to the idea. </p>

<p>It did work for Ireland. Industry from all over the world invested there because they knew the highly educated grads would be staying put, rather than being snapped up by companies throughout Europe. It could very well work in Wisconsin. I’m also thinking of the boom in South Carolina. As the textile industry began to die, BMW and other multi-national firms moved in to sweep up the displaced workers. Clearly companies evaluate the labor market in any given area before setting up shop & investing heavily in any region.</p>

<p>In HI, the high cost of living (especially buying a home) & relatively low wages (because so many want to live in HI, near family) drives a lot of folks out-of-state. There are so many underemployed folks here–most secretaries have college degrees, as do many part-time tutors and part-time teachers and teaching assistant, some from prestigous Us. My mechanics all have college degrees–two are MBAs & one is an engineer.</p>

<p>if visitors are allowed during the incarceration - it’s a nice deal</p>

<p>UW always has kept a large portion of the admits for OOS. It used to be to adding intellectual diversity but now it’s more about adding $$$$. Madison gets the bulk of top instate students already.</p>