Freshman Transition

<p>Hi everyone! I am an incoming freshman in the class of 2018. Recently, fears have been starting to plague my mind regarding the transition to Stanford so I was hoping some current students could help me clear up some things:</p>

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<li>Exactly how difficult/stressful are the classes and quarter system at Stanford?</li>
<li>Do you have any tips on adjusting to the quarter system?</li>
<li>Is grading lenient or tough?</li>
<li>How would you describe the sense of community at Stanford?</li>
<li>I know that dorms are very close-knit freshman year, but do you think upperclassmen get the same experience or is everyone very isolated?</li>
<li>What is your favorite part of attending Stanford?</li>
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<p>Thanks in advance!</p>

<p>First off, congrats on the acceptance, and even more congrats for making the right decision to come to the Farm! I’m rising junior here, so I think I should be able to give pretty accurate answers to your questions. It’s also worth noting that I am a pre-med Biology major, although I have taken several courses in the humanities and social sciences, and I hear about many other classes since most of my friends are either humanities, engineering, CS, social science, or math majors. Warning in advance: Long post to follow.</p>

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<li>Exactly how difficult/stressful are the classes and quarter system at Stanford?
The quarter system can definitely feel like quite a rush. In standalone classes, you will often have 10 weeks to cover as much material that semester system students cover in 15 weeks. In some year-long sequences, the actual amount of material is actually the same, but the pacing of projects, papers, and tests is what does it: For sciencey classes, you may have as many as 3 midterms* plus the final exam; in project-based engineering classes, you’ll often have new projects assigned as soon as you’re done with the previous one; and in writing-based humanities classes, you may have as many as 3 major papers, sometimes in addition to a final exam.</li>
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<p>*When you have 3 midterms, they often either let you drop the lowest midterm grade OR let your skip the final if you’re happy with your grade on the midterms, without penalty.</p>

<p>As for the difficulty of individual classes, it varies immensely. Some classes are absurdly easy requiring nearly no work as the lectures are videotaped and slides are uploaded, while some classes are absurdly difficult either because they’re conceptually challenging, assign lots of reading/work/projects, or both. A lot depends on the teacher and, in many cases, the TA’s. Most students use our Courserank website to look for reviews of particular classes from other students, as well as an approximate grade distribution. Be aware, however, that very few people may input their grades onto the site for some classes, so the grade distribution can be very inaccurate in some cases. In addition, different professors may teach the class in different quarters, in which case past reviews can be very misleading. Take a look at the link below as you plan out your schedule: <a href=“https://www.courserank.com/stanford/”>https://www.courserank.com/stanford/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<li><p>Do you have any tips on adjusting to the quarter system?
Take a low-unit count first quarter, 12-15 units like they recommend. This is not only to gauge how many units you’ll be able to take in the future, but also to adjust to all of the other new things about college as well as have time to meet all the wonderful new people in your dorm, classes, and clubs. I took 17 units my first quarter because two of the classes were “supposed” to be the equivalent of AP classes I had already taken in high school. Big mistake. CHEM 31x is far more difficult than AP Chem, and I wish I’d had more time to socialize in autumn of Freshman year (though I did make quite a few friends study partying for chem).</p></li>
<li><p>Is grading lenient or tough?
Depends a lot on the professor (and sometimes TA’s). They choose how to do the grading, which may or may not be curved/shifted/otherwise adjusted based on the class’s performance. For instance, in my freshman year a professor wanted to “skip” a midterm and give everyone in this 100+ person class an A, but the registrar decided that wasn’t okay. On the other hand, I hear from some of my humanities friends about TA’s who make it their personal job to always deduct points from papers. Overall, I would say that the stereotype of grade inflation at Stanford is on average true, or at least not overtly false.</p></li>
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<p>I don’t know what you’re thinking about majoring in, but the upper level math, CS, and engineering classes in general hold the reputation for being the hardest at the undergrad level. I personally have found the premed classes (gen chem, ochem, physics, and bio) to be reasonable and often challenging, but it’s certainly possible to get a very high GPA if you put in the effort. But then again I am one of those weirdos who found out he actually likes ochem.</p>

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<li><p>How would you describe the sense of community at Stanford?
Strong overall, but it obviously isn’t as close-knit as a SLAC with only 1500 undergrads. Rather, it feels more like having several smaller communities–dorms, clubs, classes, frats/sororities, research labs, etc.–within a much larger community, similar to the way that you have several close-knit hallways within a larger dorm. On top of these smaller groups, there definitely is a larger “Stanford vibe,” that’s difficult to describe but is certainly noticeable during rallies, football games, and other big events. And with just under 7000 undergrads on campus, although you might not recognize every face you pass in the hallways, you very likely will have a mutual friend between you and any given stranger. Or at least a friend of a friend. </p></li>
<li><p>I know that dorms are very close-knit freshman year, but do you think upperclassmen get the same experience or is everyone very isolated?
Upperclassmen CAN get the same experience, although it’s certainly less common. For sophomore year, you can try to get into the highly-sought after and all-soph Toyon dorm, which is very reminiscent of an all-frosh dorm. You can also try to get into one of the Greek, co-op, or self-op houses, which are also very close-knit as you might expect. Failing that, you can enter the housing draw with up to 7 other friends to ensure that you’ll all be in the same dorm (but beware–big draw groups practically always get worse housing than smaller groups due to the way the draw works).</p></li>
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<p>That said, you shouldn’t expect it be anything like freshman year. Many people start taking harder classes and joining more clubs, and therefore often won’t have as much time for socializing. You’ll find that many aren’t quite as open to meeting new friends as they were during NSO, although there are certainly many exceptions, and making new friends in your later years is far from impossible.</p>

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<li>What is your favorite part of attending Stanford?
The people, hands down. I could go on for ever about the people, but in a few words: gifted, caring, humble, unique. I won’t pretend to understand exactly how the admissions process works, but I think you’ll see a general trend once you’re on the Farm. While some top tier institutions value grades, test scores, and other numerical representations of a student, I’m all but certain that Stanford places a huge emphasis on everything else in your application: letters of recommendation, personal statement, supplemental essays and short questions, extracurricular activities, etc. That we reject ~80% of 2400 SAT scorers should tell you something. It seems like everyone has done something truly exceptional, and no one bothers to brag about it; it sometimes takes years before you realize that your best friend was an Olympic athlete or a National Science Bowl champion. I’ll let you reach your own conclusions starting with NSO, but in short, your dormmates and classmates are going to be awesome.</li>
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<p>The weather’s obviously pretty great too, although as a Californian native I don’t notice it as much as people from out of state. Some friends from Seattle complain they can’t study in Spring Quarter because they’re not used to seeing the sun that time of year, so they go out to sunbathe when they should be hitting the books.</p>

<p>Hope all that was helpful, and get ready for a wonderful four years! Enjoy these last few weeks before NSO too–I’ll bet it’ll be your last “free” summer for a while.</p>

<p>@caliamy19‌ </p>

<p>Congrats on getting accepted! I’ll be a sophomore this fall at Stanford, and I can try to answer your questions.</p>

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<li><p>This really depends on so many factors aside from the fact that it is completely dependent on you as a person, so I’m not sure anyone can really give you a certain answer, but I’d just advise (as Stanford advises) that you take a light fall quarter in terms of classes (~12-15 units) to get a feel for the system. Gives you plenty of time for work, but more importantly, socializing and getting accustomed to college life.</p></li>
<li><p>Not really, just as I said before maybe take a lighter 1st quarter if you are worried about it. You’ll quickly figure out how things go, don’t fret too much.</p></li>
<li><p>Do you have a specific class in mind? Overall there is some grade inflation, but of course it will depend on the class and the person.</p></li>
<li><p>Not super tight-knit or super-independent either. There is something for everyone, and it is generally very accepting: the stereotypical college liberal/libertarian atmosphere seems about right (although perhaps more conservative than, say, Berkeley?) Everyone is happy to be here, naturally. Sports teams do suffer a bit in terms of student turn-out (less for football, but even then…) because most students prioritize studying/social activities ahead of football games, excluding the major ones. </p></li>
<li><p>Depends on so many things. Freshman year dorms can be close-knit, but aren’t always. Many freshmen don’t live in all-frosh dorms, which tend to be closer stereotypically.</p></li>
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<p>Upperclassmen can have so many different living arrangements that it’s hard to give an answer to this… While the regular dorms for sophomores, juniors, and seniors might not have the same all-Frosh vibe, upperclassmen also can be living on The Row, off campus, in frats/sororities, etc.
Themed row houses, e.g. French House and German House (co-ed) and housed frats/sororities (not co-ed) might come closest to simulating this general environment because they will have a shared interest amongst everyone, and tend to be socially more active</p>

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<li>Ah, so many reasons and I can’t give them all. I’ll just say that I miss the weather a lot right now.</li>
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<p>@Radiata16‌ @merovingian‌ What are the dorms that aren’t all-frosh like then? What other dorms can you choose freshman year?</p>

<p>You’ve got a few options freshman year, but you only get to rank your preference for TYPES of dorms rather than actually choosing a specific dorm. Housing makes the final decision, although most people get their first choice “type.” I’m sure there are more in depth reviews of dorms from former residents on this forum or elsewhere, but here’s a quick overview. Refer to this interactive map of campus when I mention dorm locations: <a href=“http://campus-map.stanford.edu/”>http://campus-map.stanford.edu/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>All-frosh: Most of the dorms in Stern and Wilbur complexes. Located in east campus, which is generally thought of as the more social side where most non-row events happen. Pretty much what you’d expect of a typical college experience, and most students who lived in these very close-knit dorms can’t recommend them highly enough.</p>

<p>Four-class: Florence Moore complex, Roble, Eucalipto, and Granada. About 70-90% frosh, and a lot of the upperclassmen are staff. Despite the overwhelming percentage of frosh, these usually have a different, often lower-key vibe than all-frosh dorms due to the type of students they attract. As west campus dorms they’re also typically quieter, although there’s still usually a party or two every weekend. (A partial exception is Flomo, where most of the Kappas live.) If you have friendly upperclassmen, their opinions can be very helpful when choosing classes, majors, advisors, research labs, etc. Of my friends who lived in four-class, most were very happy with their experience, but some do wish they had been in all-frosh.</p>

<p>Structured Liberal Education (SLE) dorms: The intensive freshman humanities program, this was conceived as an option for students who wanted a “mini-liberal arts college experience” within the larger university. Housed in Alondra, Cardenal, and Faisan of the Flomo complex. As SLE students take many of the same classes with each other in a residential setting, they tell me they form one of the closest-knit frosh communities on campus. However, there is a long-standing stereotype that SLE students are self-isolating. I hesitate to draw such a sweeping conclusion, but I will say that most of my friends came from all-frosh and four-class rather than SLE.</p>

<p>Freshman Sophomore College (FroSoCo) dorms: Adams and Schiff in Governor’s Corner, which are the most distant west campus dorms. Frosoco residents have the option of living here again during their sophomore year, and around 60% choose to do so. Often thought of as the techie equivalent of SLE, it generally attracts CS/engineering majors as well as internationals. Partly because it’s far from just about everything on campus, I’m told it forms a very, very close-knit community, but also has an old stereotype for being self-isolating. This is generally thought of as the quietest set of frosh dorms on campus. Still, the reasonably high retention rate shows that its residents are quite happy with what they find there.</p>

<p>Ethnic theme: There are African American, Asian American, Hispanic, and Native American theme dorms on campus. I admittedly don’t know too much about these, other than that they are typically very close-knit. Important to note: You don’t have to have any connection to the respective ethnicity in order to live in any of these cross-cultural theme dorm.</p>

<p>My takeaway, based on two years’ worth of discussing dorm choices with peers: You’ll very likely find a close-knit community where ever you end up, and there’s no universal right or wrong choice. It all depends on what kind of freshman year you’re looking for.</p>

<p>@palm97‌ </p>

<p>@Radiata16 gave a really thorough summary of the alternatives to all-frosh living freshman year, so I’ll be brief and just add my $.02 </p>

<p>I have a limited perspective on this (I lived in an all-frosh dorm) and I’m certainly biased in favor of all-frosh dorms, which I loved, but the benefits/drawbacks as I perceived them mainly are this:</p>

<p>All frosh dorms have a great sense of community and tend to be the tight-knit, more “classic” college experience you might expect. I believe that between Wilbur and Stern they house north of 50% of the freshman class. Floors can be co-ed or by gender. There is a great sense of camaraderie that is especially fostered during the first few weeks of orientation and classes. The upperclassmen staff (often Juniors) can be great sources of advice as well, and tend to be very involved since staffing all-frosh dorms is considered a big time commitment not for the faint of heart.</p>

<p>Four-class dorms, SLE, Sophomore College, and theme houses are much more varied in terms of location, composition, atmosphere, etc. </p>

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<li><p>General four class dorms include Roble and FloMo --there probably are others I’m forgetting as well. People will say that the benefits here are a quieter atmosphere, more mature, due to upperclassmen. Also supposedly the upperclassmen are a great resource for figuring out classes to take, life at Stanford, etc… perhaps, but the staff in my all-frosh dorm gave great advice too, so I personally didn’t have issues there.</p></li>
<li><p>Special programs, like SLE and Freshman-Sophomore College tend to be more insular and isolated from the rest of campus (especially the latter). They do have great programs – I think SLE’s first year classes are a bit better at getting requirements out of the way, plus Chelsea Clinton did SLE as they are proud to remind us. Plus FloMo (the dorm where SLE is) has a great dining hall – new, nice food (Indian food on Sundays if you like that), plus they always serve real ice cream. I don’t know as much about FroSoCo because it’s off in the hinterlands of the campus.</p></li>
<li><p>Some theme houses have freshman (African House, Hispanic House, Asian House, Native American House) while others do not (e.g. German House, French House, Italian House, Slavic House). These all have unique atmospheres and locations: Asian and Hispanic are in Wilbur and Stern, respectively, whereas Native American is on the row.</p></li>
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<p><strong>Reputations</strong> - a disclaimer</p>

<p>While you research dorms, or when you arrive and talk to upperclassmen, you might hear about the different reputations of different houses and dorms. Note that overall it is the people living there each year and not the residence itself that creates this atmosphere! So if you find out you are living in a dorm that had a reputation for being quiet and boring, and you want to party, change the reputation by throwing great parties with the people there! Conversely, if your dorm has a sordid reputation for alcohol transports in the past, that doesn’t mean it is guaranteed to happen again (Trancos in Wilbur was infamous for years for partying and alcohol transports, but last year they were one of the quieter Wilbur dorms). </p>

<p>Edit: Doesn’t look like it was as brief as I had intended :p</p>

<p>@Radiata16‌ Did you think pre-med was especially competitive? </p>

<p>@Doyouknowwhoiam‌ Define competitive. Competitive hard to beat the curve/get good grades, competitive lack of collaboration/blatant sabotage, competitive it felt like everyone else was studying all the time so I felt pressure to study, competitive it was hard to find a good research/work position because of all my exceptional peers, or something else?</p>

<p>Competitive hard to beat the curve/get good grades & Competitive sabotage</p>

<p>I’m planning on doing pre-med, and I heard that for the most part Stanford is not competitive, but competition can be common among pre-meds. However, that’s just what I heard. </p>

<p>I’ve neither seen nor heard of sabotage by premeds at Stanford. That’s just not how things work here; for instance, there were several premeds who were strong in ochem in my freshman dorm who would informally tutor other premeds. Since this presumably pushed up the curve, it could be argued that these tutors were hurting their own grade, but that didn’t seem to bother them. I think most of us simply recognize that there are more important things to worry about than grades (e.g., friendships).</p>

<p>It should be noted that classes are not necessarily curved; they might be shifted, shifted then curved, curved then shifted, some other odd transformation, or simply raw score. Moreover, many professors purposefully keep their grading policies obscure. I personally like this–although some of my premed friends don’t–since it shifts emphasis away from doing well in relation to your classmates to simply doing well. To be honest, I’m not even conscious of the curve/shift/whatever when I go into a test. There’s no point in fretting about how well others do in relation to me, especially as I have no control over it. </p>

<p>That said, for curved/shifted classes, I don’t think it’s hard to get good grades so long as you put in a reasonable amount of effort and understand the material. If the subject “clicks” with you, then you might simply need to memorize the vocab and take the provided practice tests to do well. You can even get away with skipping classes/readings if you have a solid grasp of the material. If you’re not quite as solid with some of the concepts, then just work at it until it makes sense. If you can’t do it on your own, then consider seeking out help from friends, TA’s, and/or profs during office hours. You’re going to have to know most of this stuff for the MCAT anyway, so may as well put in the effort early.</p>

<p>If this all sounds like common sense, that’s no mistake: There’s not some big secret to success, and doing well in a pre-med class isn’t much different from doing well in any other class. Once you understand the material and memorize the terms, the grades will follow. <em>Most</em> tests are reasonable and only cover material presented in lecture/readings, and many prof will explicitly list which topics will be covered on the upcoming exam. It only gets tricky when people skip lectures/readings/studying even when they aren’t initially comfortable with the material, which is admittedly easy to do since there’s always so much going on at Stanford to distract you from your academics. Just be sure to take your courseload into account when committing to extracurriculars. Of course, don’t take on such a heavy courseload that you simply don’t have time to study for all of your classes either.</p>

<p>Thank you for the detailed response. I really appreciate it! </p>

<p>Also, do you know if stanford pre-meds have a high acceptance rate into top med schools?</p>

<p>People seem to think we do, but I can’t quote exact stats. If you’re really interested, that’s something you can ask the pre-med advisors when you get here.</p>

<p>With respect to point 3 above, I would say that there is no grade inflation in science and engineering courses at Stanford. Take any course in the Math 50 series, Physics 60 series, CS106X or CS107 and you will find no grade inflation (those are from my experiences and that of my friends). You will learn a lot but the median will be B with frequent C’s also handed out. A’s would be roughly 30% or so.</p>

<p>I agree that there is no grade inflation in <em>SOME</em> science courses, but there is plenty in others. For instance, several chem profs like to give a good portion of the class A+'s–something even the humanities classes rarely do, since apparently many of them are unaware of that the option to give A+'s even exist–and there is definitely inflation in some upper div bio and introsems. And I already mentioned the class taught offered by the med school psychiatry department where the professor just wanted to skip the midterm and give everybody an A. If you include the social sciences, inflation becomes even more apparent; do all the readings and go to lectures, and an A+ in PSYCH 1 is all but guaranteed.</p>

<p>I believe many classes would hand out ~40% A’s. Granted, this isn’t the 47% A grade inflation you’d used to read about, but that’s still a lot of A’s. So I suppose it depends a bit on how you numerically define “grade inflation.”</p>

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It’s been my experience that the grade distribution is correlated with the types of students that take the class. You mentioned the physics 60 series, so I’ll use that as an example. The physics 60 series has a higher median grade than the physics 20 or 40 series because the 60 series is for “students with a strong high school mathematics and physics background contemplating a major in physics or interested in a rigorous treatment of physics,” while the 20 and 40 series is primarily taken by pre-med & engineering students who want the standard physics, didn’t take/excel in AP physics in HS, or didn’t excel in the physics placement exam. The 60 series has a greater portion of exceptional physics students (beyond what is typical for Stanford students) than the 20/40 series, so a greater portion average top grades. Some specific numbers are below, as reported by CourseRank:</p>

<p>Physics 41 – 44% A’s
Physics 61 – 64% A’s</p>

<p>Physics 43 – 38% A’s
Physics 63 – 59% A’s</p>

<p>Physics 45 – 42% A’s
Physics 65 – 67% A’s</p>

<p>In all 3 physics classes, a far larger portion of the class received A’s in the 60 series (advanced freshman physics) than the 40 series This does not mean that it’s easier to get A’s in the 60 series in the 40 series. Instead I’d expect it’s the other way around. I found the physics 60 series to be the most challenging set of courses I took at Stanford or at any other college (part of this relates to the class having a prerequisite of “mastery of mechanics at the level of AP Physics” and me not taking AP physics in HS). I also found it more difficult to receive A’s in the physics 60 series than in nearly all other classes I have taken at Stanford, including classes taken towards 3 engineering degrees while also doing pre-med.</p>

<p>I have seen all those courserank data. It is grossly wrong (and is self-reported). Real data for physics 60 series for the past year: 28%, 22% and 29% A’s for Physics 61, 63 and 65, respectively.</p>

<p>It is reasonable that reported GPAs would have biases leading to inflated numbers, but I’d expect the inflation to be present and similar for both physics series, so it still suggests a higher median GPA for the 60 series than the 40 series. Also note that the listed Courserank numbers are averaged across the past several years, with a sample size of thousands of students for the 40 series and hundreds of students for the 60 series, Some years have different reported distributions than others, particularly when there are different professors teaching the class. There certainly were more A’s than 22-29% when I took the class several years ago, and others have reported more A’s in previous years as well. </p>

<p>Yah, the grading schemes are changing at Stanford, particularly in hard, advanced classes. Some of these classes only have 20-40 students and so the past Courserank numbers self-reported over thousands are not relevant and can skew the reality. One does learn a lot in these classes and the A’s handed out in the 30% range are probably just about right.</p>