Freshman's First Impressions

<p>The University of Chicago was not my first-choice school, not by a long shot. In fact, I was rejected by every single other college to which I applied. I’ve been here for a quarter and a couple weeks, and I think I’m capable of offering an informed opinion:</p>

<p>The University of Chicago is good but overrated.</p>

<p>Let me qualify. First the overrated part:</p>

<li><p>Ignore the people who loudly proclaim the rigors of the core curriculum; the core curriculum is ridiculously easy if you take the right (wrong?) courses. I was told by my adviser that taking the humanities and social sciences (two sequences that everyone must take) together was a bad idea; she said there’d be too much reading and writing involved. Too much reading and writing? Yeah, right. First of all, the reading is basically optional; the professors don’t drill you or anything, and the discussions that are supposed to “stimulate the mind” are only very rarely grounded firmly in the readings. You can usually pass off whatever nonsense you like with unmotivated TAs and professors and will probably go unchallenged. (Because no one in the class knows anyone else, there isn’t much spirited debate.) Some core classes make you produce weekly response papers; these are easy enough to base on only one reading or so, and even then don’t require you to read the whole thing. The long papers are not cumulative; they are usually based only on one week’s readings, and obviously you can just read whatever you haven’t for the paper. And even if you’re like me and actually read all of the reading, you’ll find that it really isn’t much and sometimes isn’t very difficult (think NYTimes articles assigned as readings). I’m taking a civilization sequence in addition to the others now, and even though it’s certainly more difficult than the other two, it’s not much more intensive than they are. Of all the courses I’ve taken so far, Chinese 101 was by far the most intensive and difficult; that should tell you something about the core. If it weren’t for Chinese, I’d be writing stuff like this and as long as this every night for fun (I don’t post to places as frequently as I could). In short, I don’t think that the core courses are very stimulating or even interesting.</p></li>
<li><p>The students aren’t all nerds! Trust me: There are quite a few poop-for-brains morons on this campus, and even more who are pretentious but not really all that smart (the “as it were,” “irregardless,” “this is true” type). As a matter of fact, I have not met many hardcore nerds here. There are some really smart kids, but as at all colleges (HYPS included!), they’re in the minority. My house has been blessed with a few real sharp deipnosophists, and you can usually get some really good (I mean really smart) conversations going at dinner, but when there not there, the table’s as intellectually dry as the Sahara desert.</p></li>
<li><p>They can’t clear the damn roads! I hate walking in slush!</p></li>
<li><p>It doesn’t feel safe. You leave campus and immediately begin to notice that the streets are desolate.</p></li>
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<p>Now the good part:</p>

<li><p>There is so much opportunity to do stuff here. I can’t even begin to describe the insane opportunities that have come my way, from financial (experiments going on constantly, companies hiring eager freshman with and without qualifications) to academic (if you know what to do and where to go, you can get sweet research opportunities and “hang out” with professors, even as a freshman; because UChicago’s one of the world’s most prominent research institutions, there’s always stuff you can be a part of and participate in – grants and stuff are all over the place) to social (there’s mad fun here; plenty of people get stupid drunk a few times a week, and if that’s not your thing, you can always get free food just about everywhere!). You’re invited to do things and be places nearly all the time; it’s wicked cool. The point is that the University of Chicago is like a tree full of delicious, low-hanging, juicily ripe fruit; you can stuff yourself if you can reach.</p></li>
<li><p>Many students are good-looking. This is such a stupid thing to have to refute, but I have to because you might not think so. Guys, girls, squirrels, whatever; I frequently turn my head and remark to myself, “Damn, he/she/it is handsome/pretty/beautiful.”</p></li>
<li><p>The food is delicious and varied. Some people don’t think so, but I like it.</p></li>
<li><p>The architecture and buildings are really neat. You can lose yourself in complex, cave-like structures if you’re not careful. And even if you do, you probably won’t mind.</p></li>
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<p>So take it with a grain of salt. Apply here. If it’s your dream school, don’t expect too much; if it’s your last-choice school, prepare to be pleasantly surprised. And don’t even think about transferring to a “better” school once you’re here; HYPS & Co. have <5% acceptance rates for transfer students. You probably won’t want to, anyway.</p>

<p>To put your comments in context- </p>

<p>I noticed you’re from New York. Does this mean the city, the metro area east or north of NYC, or further upstate. This Q has to do with your comment about snow removal & the area near campus.</p>

<p>And, what type of high school did you attend… specialized NYC h.s., suburban, independent, boarding?</p>

<p>Thank you for this. My best friend who goes to UChicago as a freshman says the exact same thing but I wasnt sure if he was just trying to fool me into thinking the core really isnt that bad just so I would go. But this confirms a lot of the things he has been saying. Thank you!</p>

<p>I went to a suburban high school on Long Island, a school whose workload was much heavier than the University of Chicago’s. Seriously. 6 hours a day versus 2-3 hours a day, with the same amount of homework?</p>

<p>@Tuppence
I got plenty of snow on Long Island, but I would always shovel the sidewalk in front of my house. Here, there’s often snow on the ground until it melts. It’s really not fun to walk around Hyde Park and be foot-deep in snow.</p>

<p>Well, in comparison to my public school with at most 5 hours of homework a week (And that’s only if there is an essay due. Since I got back from break, I have not done ANY homework. That’s 3 weeks! ), Chicago will feel difficult. Thank you for the interesting insight.</p>

<p>EDIT. Oh and I have perfect grades. My school is very wealthy, and is in the top couple hundred schools in the country, but still… I hate it.</p>

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<li><p>It doesn’t surprise me that Chinese 101 is your toughest class. It would be the toughest class for almost anyone who took it.</p></li>
<li><p>It also doesn’t surprise me that your core classes, especially Hum, aren’t that difficult, because, frankly, neither of my kids thought that was so difficult, either. My older child hated Hum because people didn’t do the readings, weren’t especially interested, and exhibited some of the qualities you described. She thought it was highschoolish. Child #2 thought his Hum class – a different sequence, HBC – was the best experience he had ever had in a classroom. His sections definitely had plenty of spirited debate. It may be a function of teacher skill and some luck.</p></li>
<li><p>I wouldn’t be so quick to dis your classmates based on one quarter in core courses. At my college, people who I thought were dolts when we started turned out not to be dolts at all. This included a future top law review editor-in-chief and Supreme Court clerk, a guy who has accumulated fabulous wealth and an art collection to die for, and a couple of high-ranking officials in the last administration.</p></li>
<li><p>Did you walk around much on Long Island? I’m guessing that you spend a lot more time on foot in Chicago, which may be why the snow bothers you more, and you feel unsafe sometimes. I will be interested to see if that moderates over time. It should.</p></li>
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<p>Also, did you walk around a lot on Long Island? I’m guessing that you spend a lot more time on foot in Chicago than you did at home. Which may be why you notice inadequate snow removal and desolate streets more. I would be interested to know if you feel safer over time. You really should.</p>

<p>But I want to congratulate you on a very honest, informative post, and also on recognizing how much great stuff is available to you there and going for it.</p>

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<p>Well, they’re not bad, but they’re not what everyone hyped them up to be. I just don’t think people should expect the University of Chicago to be dramatically more intellectual than other universities.</p>

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<p>Maybe. I dunno; I just remember snow being off the sidewalks of the neighborhood where I lived.</p>

<p>S1 took a year of Greek Thought & Literature for his Hum requirement and found it to be rather rigorous and the profs demanding. He worked his butt off, but loved every minute of it. He now lives off campus in Hyde Park and feels “city safe.”</p>

<p>Like JHS says, don’t dis too soon. Not everybody adapts the same to the drastic changes involved in moving away to college (for many people, it’s the first time away from home for an extended period of time, away from helicopter parents, etc.). Allow for their sea legs to develop. You must live on the outer dorms. The walkways next to the Reg are plowed every morning between 6 and 7 (then again, they may only plow the ones in from of the WebCam).</p>

<p>I appreciate Aristotle’s input and I don’t want to second-guess it. I’ll just add that in my experience, the kids who turned out to be the ones most worth knowing are not the kids who wear their intellect or their talents on their sleeve. I also know that as a first-year in a sea among relative strangers, one is attracted to others who are internally and externally consistent.</p>

<p>Aristotle’s comments about the workload also ring true, in a sense: the workload here is incredibly variable. I don’t spend a lot of time on schoolwork, to be perfectly honest, but I do a lot of other things. I have friends who spend a lot more time on schoolwork than I do, both here at the University and at other schools. (My friends with the most rigorous workloads go to schools like Oberlin, Harvard, and Syracuse-- none of which is particularly known for grueling workloads, but in each case, the workload was self-selected).</p>

<p>However, if the OP were taking Chinese, Hum, Sosc (a non-Mind sequence), and Honors Calc, I think he or she would have different opinions on workload. OP does not have to take those classes.</p>

<p>So, in sum: it is not hard to graduate from the University of Chicago. It is not hard to party 4 nights a week, take as many easy classes as possible, and maintain a relatively high GPA. However, the vast, vast majority of students do not take this track, and will take challenging classes that they don’t have to take and spend more time studying than they have to. I think those trends say a lot more about the students than they do about the school.</p>

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<p>It’s funny how you single that out. Are the other social studies courses really much more difficult?</p>

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<p>Hmm. Yeah, I’ve heard good things about that course. I think my thoughts on the workload may be more reflective of Mind and LangHum (a diluted, pretty simple linguistics class that masquerades as a humanities class) than the core. I am, however, very pleased with my civilization sequence; it’s difficult and surprisingly technical (in other words, it doesn’t seem introductory). It has very few people for a core class, and many have already dropped it; I feel so hardcore! ;)</p>

<p>Chinese, by the way, is hard not because of the difficulty of the material (my civ class easily beats it in that respect) but because there’s a lot of work. A lot. Quizzes most every day, too.</p>

<p>I was reading the course catalog and it stated that for the language requirement:</p>

<p>Students who matriculate in September 2009: Online placement tests may be taken the summer before they arrive on campus by students who matriculate in September 2009. Those students should visit collegecatalog.uchicago.edu beginning May 2009 for updated instructions on determining which quarter of language study it will be appropriate for them to begin. Procedures will vary depending on the language and on the department the student chooses.</p>

<p>Does this mean that the placement test which I will be taking will be online, and will allow me to test out of the language requirement, if I score high enough? (Assuming I don’t have a 3 on any AP foreign language tests)</p>

<p>The language placement test is not done online – you can place out of the language requirement if you score high enough.</p>

<p>I think for us 13ers it is online. I will post what is says in the .pdf for the exam credit for both 12ers and 13ers. It has changed</p>

<p>Students who matriculate in September 2008: Students who matriculate in September 2008 may take placement tests during Orientation in the following languages: Arabic, Bangla, Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian (BCS), Catalan, Chinese, Czech, French, German, Classical Greek, Modern Hebrew, Hindi, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Latin, Malayalam, Norwegian, Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Turkish, and Urdu. Students may petition to take placement tests in languages not offered during Orientation. Language placement petition forms are available at the advisers’ reception desk (HM 280). Placement tests are not available in languages not taught at the University of Chicago. For additional information, visit [The</a> University of Chicago College](<a href=“http://www.college.uchicago.edu/academics/language.shtml]The”>http://www.college.uchicago.edu/academics/language.shtml).
Students who matriculate in September 2009: Online placement tests may be taken the summer before they arrive on campus by students who matriculate in September 2009. Those students should visit collegecatalog.uchicago.edu beginning May 2009 for updated instructions on determining which quarter of language study it will be appropriate for them to begin. Procedures will vary depending on the language and on the department the student chooses.</p>

<p>I may be reading it wrong but this is how I gathered it</p>

<p>So never mind; apparently it’s different for the Class of 2013.</p>

<p>aristotle, which Civ sequence are you taking? Chinese is tough, no matter where one goes.</p>

<p>machiavelli, you are right about language placement.</p>

<p>S1 is taking HBC – last quarter he said his class was quite animated and thought-provoking. Loved the prof, loved the class. Wrote three papers and one short assignment, did all the readings. This quarter he says the class is quieter, but he really likes the prof (he has a different one this time) and believes class discussions will heat up soon. Is thinking he’ll take Social/Political Thought next year.</p>

<p>Ya!!! Thank you</p>

<p>Aristotle, you are taking the two classes that are known for being the classes you take if you don’t really want to take “real” HUM or SOSC classes. Just Fyi.</p>

<p>LangHum, which I took last year, is pretty much a joke. I liked it, but that’s because I didn’t really want to take a “real” HUM, none of them interested me. The readings were fun, but I didn’t learn anything that changed my perception of … anything, and class discussions were dismal.</p>

<p>And I hear the same about Mind. If you wanted a rigorous SOSC, this is definitely not it, as it is widely known to be the SOSC to take if you don’t want to do heavy reading/analysis. I’m taking Self this quarter and am refreshingly surprised at the enormous difference it is from my LangHum class last year. Insightful discussions and readings along with a great professor make a good learning environment. </p>

<p>If you really wanted a challenging curriculum, these courses are definitely not the places to start.</p>

<p>It does, however, speak to the fact that there are ways around the core for someone who doesn’t really want to take the hardest courses.</p>

<p>As unalove was getting to in her post, the rigors of UChicago come in the Honors courses (or similarly challenging courses in the humanities) balancing school with extracurricular activities. I don’t think the UChicago curriculum is impossibly hard, but to dismiss the rigor because you are taking a set of known-to-be easy and lackluster classes is not really valid.</p>

<p>S’s advisor talked him into taking HBC and Mind fall quarter, but he dropped it after a few days. Thought it was OK, but realized that Soc/Pol Thought was really more up his alley, and he was having such a great time in this HBC class that he wanted to have a similar experience next year as well rather than cramming in both sequences this year just to get them done.</p>

<p>In the meantime, he paid attention to what some of his friends were taking and enjoying (and which profs taught said sections), and got some ideas for his fine arts, Civ, etc.</p>

<p>Worked out for the best.</p>