<p>I found this article fascinating both as an examination of the challenges women still face in a male-dominated world and also as an insight into how the “1 percent” set themselves up for further success.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/education/harvard-case-study-gender-equity.html?src=me&ref=general[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/education/harvard-case-study-gender-equity.html?src=me&ref=general</a></p>
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<p>I’m not sure which part of that article I find most disturbing.</p>
<p>YDS, can you post the name of the article? It’s a bad link for me.</p>
<p>I am stunned that this goes on at HBS and wonder if women know this going in and whether this is true at other business schools.</p>
<p>I had the same problem but it seems to be the very first story offered as an alternative.</p>
<p>All of those graduates will be in top 1%.</p>
<p>The link works for me. The article title is “Harvard Business School Case Study: Gender Equity”</p>
<p>And wow. Just wow.</p>
<p>So glad I was never tempted by HBS.</p>
<p>My reaction: those students are awful people. Especially the male students.</p>
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<p>It sounds like it had been a really toxic environment for women. “Sunlight is the best disinfectant”, indeed.</p>
<p>This does not surprise me at all. When you get to the cream-of-the-cream-of-the-crop, the masters of the universe in the business world, political correctness goes out the window in favor of whatever works best for making money.</p>
<p>If this were a graduate program in public health or government, something with an altruistic angle to it, I would feel differently if it operated this way.</p>
<p>So Bay, “whatever works best for making money” is rating your female peers and female professors on whether you want to **** them? Cuz I don’t see how that works for making money. I think it’s just being a pig.</p>
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<p>I think <em>admitting</em> it is hubris, which can be an effective trait in the business world. Most men probably do this all the time, business school students or otherwise.</p>
<p>I do find it interesting that the behavior of the finance guys was tolerated by faculty members rather than being smacked down at the get go. One does have to wonder why the older, tougher faculty members thought it was OK for the new staff members to be brutalized by some of the students. Is it that they think that those staffers really have no right to be on the faculty, and that an HBS faculty position should only be reserved for a survivor of wolves?</p>
<p>Most MBA students come in with the attitude that the faculty works for them because many have worked and in some cases made lot more money than the faculty teaching them. Many are better off being in executive MBAs at schools like Harvard but they go through the pretense of being full time students and not doing anything else.</p>
<p>I went my local Podunk U and got a regular MBA. I had one oldtimer Information systems professor who was a stickler to certain routines and taught his classes like he was teaching college freshman with lots of rules.</p>
<p>He said he refused to teach EMBA classes because lot of them were business people who told him that the rules were different and they would tell him what they needed taught, when they would take breaks and where the discussions would go when he did teach a class.</p>
<p>I agree that it is at least hubris to be ranking women like that to their faces. But Bay, is it your contention that all men think of their female colleagues as objects to be ****ed rather than people to be worked with, as apparently these HBA men do? Men think about sex a lot, but are you saying that no men are able to also establish working relationships with their female co-workers? </p>
<p>As portrayed in the article, many of the male students don’t want to work with women at all, and actively strive to keep women out. For example, the women aren’t included in discussions of the very high-paying job offers, according to the article; that information is male-only.</p>
<p>Ignoring female superiors and colleagues is only a good strategy when the guy isn’t working with many women, so he can afford to ignore them. If most of your co-workers and superiors are women, you’d better learn to work with them or you will fail.</p>
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<p>I got the impression that some of the older staff members participated in the brutalization.</p>
<p>Kind of my impression too. Which is why I wonder why they thought it was all OK to be so anti-collegial. Do they also hate women? Do they think that only people with a certain amount of a certain type of business experience have a right to be on the HBS faculty? Do they think that only a certain type of student truly has a right to pursue an HBS education?</p>
<p>So glad I teach adult ed at the community college. My students all want to be there. They are happy to cooperate with each other, and with me, in the learning process. I can’t even imagine what would happen if one proved disruptive. The others simply wouldn’t tolerate such lack of respect for the instructor, or the classroom setting. Then again my students aren’t captains of industry.</p>
<p>Sooooo glad to be serving the 98%.</p>
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<p>I think many men do this, but not all. I think in general, there are some men who are incapable of working with women in the workplace, most who can work with them but also view them as potential sex partners, and some men who never think about the sexuality of the women they work with (rarer, imo). (All of this is based just on my life experience; I am not an expert in male psychology.)</p>
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<p>I agree, but I doubt this ever happens with male HBS grads. (working with mostly women, I mean. I’m sure some of them do fail).</p>
<p>The issue, though, is not whether males think of female colleagues as potential sex partners, but whether they openly discuss the women’s sex-worthiness in front of them in the workplace. I’m sure you’ll agree, Bay, that rating female colleagues’ sexual attractiveness is talk that has no place in the workplace or in college classrooms, and that many women would find that kind of talk made a hostile environment. </p>
<p>I get the impression that the boorish MBA men discuss women as objects in front of the women because they can. They have power to be jerks, and they use it, in that way as in so many other ways. And it’s incumbent upon Harvard to take away that power.</p>
<p>Ewww. I worry about this generation sometimes. They are cruder than ever before, in the main.</p>