Gluten or Putin, who knows?

<p>I have found in the medical community that the test result warranting treatment for a condition, say lead toxicity, may be 2.% in 1960, but .5 in 1990.
It doesn’t mean that those people in 1960 with .5 measurable lead weren’t affected.
Same with allergies and sensitivities.
I know that if I eat wheat several day in a row I get alternating constipation, diarrhea & the stomach pains to match.
I know that I did not absorb many nutrients and bear the impacts of that.
I know that despite being diagnosed with osteoporosis, despite no risk factors,( except my race and sex) that I have been able to reverse it with the only treatment being removing sensitive foods and allowing my gut to heal.
If people want to make fun of me, that’s their prerogative, but I find it awfully mean spirited.</p>

<p>I can’t help but wonder if the increase in young people like my daughter being diagnosed with osteoporosis is related.
Guess it must be in her head because she wants to be trendy.
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<a href=“Doctors: More Young People Developing Osteoporosis - CBS Boston”>http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/05/09/more-young-people-developing-osteoporosis/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>@BunsenBurner, you misread my statement, I did not write wine has gluten. I wrote our food supply is poisoned even with wine which is normally made out of grape juice but recently I read an article on Wired magazine, Juice(I believe is the article), it states that they add all kind chemicals to wine for example to make it tastes like oak they age a chemical instead of aging in oak.
No I didn’t write that eliminating gluten was achieved by eliminating carbs and sugars(you wrote that), in fact gluten free bread is made with rice as an ingredient and rice has carbs too. Carbs turn into a form sugar in our body for energy. So sugar is not the only evil. All the stuff that you eat turn into some forum sugar in your body, even rice is not good, I only eat a small tiny amount of rice, I eat mostly quinoa. Even vegetables have carbs too.</p>

<p>Dr Google, I have not misread anything. This is what you wrote:</p>

<p>“We’ve gluten free after listening to the neurologist doctor on TV who wrote Brain grain. My daughter also eats 99% gluten free diet and has lost all her college weight, almost 30-40 lbs due to drinking lots of alcohol in college. My husband also gave us his favorite gluten drink(beer), I know there are some gluten free beer out there but he is not drinking beer nor wine again. Alzheimer’s is the 3rd leading causes of death”</p>

<p>^^^ Nowhere in your first post you make any connection between elimination of carbs and improvement in your health, instead, you were harping on gluten being the culprit. I pointed out that you made the conclusion, “gee it must have been the gluten that made us ill”. I also pointed out that you also eliminated a lot of starch and sugar from your diet. I have to give you a partial credit that you did make the connection after seeing what I wrote. </p>

<p>A side note re: sugar vs sugar. If you haven’t watched the documentary Fed Up. I highly recommend doing it. The experts in the movie explain in plain English with very little scientific mumbo-jumbo why not every calorie of sugar affects us the same way. A teaspoon of sugar from an apple does not have the same effect as a teaspoon of sugar from soda or beer or… apple juice.</p>

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<p>@BunsenBurner, so where do I make the connection that wine is not gluten free. Thanks for jumping to conclusion and jumped on my post that I provided the misinformation.</p>

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Well that is the fact that my daughter lost weight gone gluten free not because of illness of any kind. Gluten food has carbs but not all carbs have gluten in it. No and I was not harping on gluten being the culprit. I was sharing my experience why my family decided to go gluten free without being ill of any kind, not yet anyway. We also eliminate potato from our diet, if there is a thread about that I would be happy to share.</p>

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<p>The problem with nutritional ‘science’ as presented to the public is this sort of pseudo-scientific nonsense book. The aim seems to be to write the most extremist claims with the greatest misuse of data that will sell the most books. The book is not supported by any credible source . Your own research can quickly demonstrate this.</p>

<p>I don’t believe 100% about any book that I read, that is one reason why I read multiple books. This is a habit I had carrying over from my college days. However, I don’t think his book is totally non-sense either. Even if it is, gluten free gives my family one good reason to refuse bread and dessert at any high end restaurants.</p>

<p>"where do I make the connection that wine is not gluten free. "</p>

<p>^^^“We’ve gluten free after listening to the neurologist doctor on TV who wrote Brain grain. … My husband also gave us his favorite gluten drink(beer), I know there are some gluten free beer out there but he is not drinking beer nor wine again.”</p>

<p>Why not wine then if you agree that it is gluten-free?
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Sorghum, agree - nutritional science has evolved into pseudoscience akin to alchemy thanks to conspiracy theorists and the funding from food industry.</p>

<p>Wine was mentioned in the second paragraph, not in the gluten free paragraph. We are not sure what we’re drinking is considered wine anymore. Perhaps, the economics of wine make wine producers adding all kind of chemicals.
I also don’t eat a lot of stuff that are gluten free, potato is one of them. So what you eat what you think is best for you and I do the same. I try not to get sick, have not been sick in the last 10 years and like to remain that way.</p>

<p>Dr Google, if you are talking about going low carb or alcohol-free, just say so. There is no need to bring up gluten. The "nasty “chemicals” in wine are naturally generated during fermentation, and the main source of headaches after drinking wine is not sulfites used to stop fermentation, but simple dehydration. BTW, Im not a heavy wine drinker (a glass or two a month with dinner) and do not promote wine, but I write this to counterbalance the misinformation.</p>

<p>@BunsenBurner, I don’t think it’s the fermentation process, like I said check out the Juiced article in Wired magazine. It’s an eye opener.
I wrote that we are gluten free and if it means low carb then so be it. The reason I bring up gluten is my family used to be low carb and eat lots of the whole grain bread from Costco because we believe whole grain is good, but now we find out to the contrary(debating). It’s good to be conscious of something we eat that we once thought it was good. The Brain Grain book alerted us to it. We no longer buy that bread from Costco eventhough our family used to love it and ate lots of it. Perhaps we had an addiction to gluten. We have always been low carb in the last 6 years but gluten free in the last year.
Edit to add the article states 70+ number of additives or treatments allowed by the US Alcohol and Tobacco tax and trade bureau.
My guess is that fine wine don’t have to many additives but cheap wine like the $2.5 buck chuck from Trader’s Joe probably add a lot of additives to make is drinkable.</p>

<p>Well, whole grain bread had a boatload of added sugar in addition to carbs from grains. Any diet that has whole grains as a large component is not low carb. Low carb means getting your carbs from veggies and fruit and not from grains. Your so-called “low carb” diet was high in carbs after all. </p>

<p>Maybe that is the answer. But I think 2 slides a meal per person. Boat loads probably refers to what we used to eat compare to what we do eat now.</p>

<p>If you mean 2 slices of bread per person per meal, that’s 3 meals a day times 2. 6 slices of bread is a LOT of carbs and possibly added sugar. I think you nailed the answer. Good for you to take care off your diet, gluten or not.</p>

<p>I think one problem here is labeling. Alcohol should not be exempt from labeling laws. Coffee shouldn’t be either (all those “flavors” out there rarely contain a single hazelnut). It would help to know what is in what we eat and it would also help to debunk myths that might be going around.</p>

<p>Dr. Google, I’m curious. Would you consider home brewing wine? </p>

<p>A lot of things are being thrown around here and more than a bit of it is putting together two different things as one phenomenon. People with Celiac’s disease (young guy who works for me has it, and it took a while to get diagnosed) have problems with gluten specifically, and have to stay away from products with it. Celiac’s disease is not wheat sensitivity, they are two different things, but people are throwing them around as if they are the same and they aren’t.</p>

<p>The reason gluten free diets work for people in losing weight and such is they are basically cutting out simple carbs, both because of the wheat, rye barley and I think rice , and also because these days a lot of wheat products like bread have added sugar, thanks to our government’s subsidy of corn production and HFC. When you stop eating wheat and other grains, or cut back on them, you can lose weight because eating a diet rich in vegetables (which are carbs, but are not complex carbs) and protein with some fats will have less calories in general, and are digested differently. People claim the results are the gluten, but in reality it is changing eating habits. </p>

<p>And yes, there are issues with eating too much wheat, Emerald City was dead spot on about the wheat we eat. Anyone remember the lyrics of "America the Beautiful? with amber waves of grain? You won’t see that any more, they created a hybridized wheat to produce larger heads that actually is used to make the grain (the seeds), and these plants are runty, around 2 feet tall, which not coincidentally is easier to harvest using machinery. It was developed as part of the “green revolution” that did increase yields tremendously and helped prevent even more widespread hunger than exists today (much of which is not lack of production, but politics and greed and indifference to the poor, not lack of food). The problem is that hybrid wheat is not the same as heritage wheat, and it contains compounds that among other things are an irritant. This isn’t GMO wheat, this is a hybrid, but it is different enough than the wheat people used to eat that I personally suspect we aren’t as tolerant of it and it is causing issues, based on what I have ready.</p>

<p>There are problems with wheat, one of the standard lines on diet, especially for heart health, is to eat a diet full of whole grains (take a look at the FDA ‘plate’ or at the Heart Association recommendations), and to limit fats, yet what studies are showing is that eating a diet loaded with simple carbs like grains, even whole grains, may be a culprit in heart disease. The last studies coming out indicate that the HDL/LDL ratio is not the key indicator of heart risk (one reason that came up, is that doctors have put patients on Niacin, which brings the ratio into the ‘right range’, but the lancet and other journals have studies that show that taking Niacin affects the ratio positively, but has no effect on heart health. The reason is that the real indicator is something I had done the last time I went to my cardiologist, the LDL particle count, and more importantly, the type of particles (they come in two types, a smaller one, and a ‘large, fluffy one’, the latter one is not goof), and what the studies are showing is that diets high in grains and simple carbs (which include sugar), cause the LDL particle count to skyrocket. </p>

<p>However, and this is important, diet and nutrition don’t work the same way for any two people. There are people who might do better on a diet more high carb and low fat, traditional southern italian diets based on pasta or Asian diets with rice seem to flout the idea that all grains are bad. I do think that grains should be in proportion, I think extremely low carb diets are bad news, the way that for other reasons high fat diets are, Atkins is a bloody disaster area (in part, because it treats vegetables the way it does simple carbs, and encourages a diet that is way, way out of whack, sorry, eating bacon, even non nitrate bacon, or heavy creme and so forth the way the diet emphasizes is a disaster area). The nutrition website I belong to is very pragmatic, and they often come up with articles that seem to contradict what they have written before, they are willing to look at what is out there and if a case is made, change recommendations. Recently they had an article they published that talked about how in some people, eating grains and more carbs doesn’t cause problems the way it would in other people, and this despite the fact that their basic nutrition recommendations are vegetables be the largest portion, then lean protein including meat, then carbs from grains and with healthy fats from nuts included, and fruit in proportion as well. </p>

<p>Fad diets are always weird, because they work, but often not for the reason they claim. The so called ‘grapefruit’ diet worked because eating grapefruit with its fiber helps fill the person up, and much of the dietary recommendations are lower simple carbs, higher protein and vegetables. Gluten free works because it forces people to eat more vegetables and proteins, eliminates wheat and some other grains, which is the same thing.</p>

<p>The most confusing source of nutrition information is the government, which shouldn’t be surprising, many of their decisions are based in politics and the farm lobby, not health. The government, the FDA, the surgeon general’s office, all are pushing people to limit sugar, yet the same government gives huge subsidies to the corn farmers and corn industry that make HFC so dirt cheap that it is used, not just in sodas and drinks, but in a lot of other things as fillers (take a look sometime at ‘non fat’ frozen yogurt, or ‘non fat’ cookies, or ‘low fat’ muffins, or the bread you buy at the supermaket, and see how much contain HFC. The government is big on the obesity epidemic yet the FDA ‘dinner plate’ pushes grains as the biggest part of the diet, rather than vegetables, again because of politics.</p>

<p>On the other hand, my friend at work is happy for the gluten free trend, he says at the very least it is a lot easier to try and find things to eat and has found that most stuff labelled as ‘gluten free’ seems to be what they say, and that it makes finding things easier. </p>

<p>What I really would wish is that there be some sort of easily accessible clearinghouse for nutrition and diet information, in theory the government websites should be but generally aren’t IMO, and a lot of nutritionists and nutrition experts seem to be caught up in their own particular orthodoxy, promoting one agenda over another rather than finding what works (I will add this is based on my own impressions and it not a knock at nutritionists, I am talking what I see publicized which is a small percentage of those out there). Then, too, you have something like the “Paleo Diet”, which I think has some merits to it, but the promoters take it into fad land with claims like “this is what our ancestors ate, must be good for us” rather than saying “This kind of diet that they likely ate has merit in terms of figuring out what to eat”…among other things, our ancestors ate whatever they could find, and probably experienced 3 years of famine for every year of plentiful food…(I want to get a t shirt made to make my view known, it would show a saber tooth tiger chasing down primitive humans with the text “I just love the paleo diet”</p>

<p>@Greenwich, I’m only a social drinker, i.e. if my husband drinks then I have a glass with him for companion. Same with coffee. But that is something to think about when we retire, have more time to brew our own.</p>

<p>@musiprint, love the t-shirt idea. You have clarified a lot of things that I’ve wholehearted agree with your post. I think in the 90’s there was a whole movement with eating low fat because of all the cancer scare, and now even Dr Weil who wrote the book, 8 weeks to Optimal Health recommends to add more fat to one’s diet, fat from vegetables/fruits like nuts and avocado and it kind of make sense because the brain is all fat, go on a low fat diet is not good either, we see more problem with brain/brain disease show up in the population.</p>

<p>@musicprnt You have mixed up a few things. Simple carbs are sugars such as glucose and fructose, and sucrose (which is glucose and fructose joined together). Complex carbs are long chains of simple sugars, for example starch (which is thousands of glucose molecules joined together) and cellulose. So obviously vegetables contain high levels of complex carbs, as do grains.</p>

<p>As for dwarf wheat, it is generally not a hybrid. Wheat is naturally self-pollinated so it has proven very difficult to produce hybrid varieties. Varieties are developed by hybridization, but that is normal for pretty much any plant breeding, even in the days when wheat was tall. Farmers plant hybrid maize seed (that in turn produces seed that could not be used for the next generation as it would lose hybrid vigor). Farmers plant inbred wheat or soybean which would be just as productive if some of the crop was saved and replanted next generation - so the seed companies have to use very tough legal methods to stop the farmer doing that.</p>

<p>You don’t want to go back to production of tall wheat, because it tends to fall down (lodges) near harvest and you can’t pick the grain off the ground. The grain of dwarf wheat is not demonstrably different from that of other wheat. There is no such thing as just ‘heritage wheat’ because there used to be many hundreds of different wheat varieties, all differing in various ways. Protein of wheat today is not systematically different to that of the past in any way that has been proposed by serious scientific hypothesis and suggested mechanisms to cause any harm. </p>

<p>If you think there are ‘irritant’ compounds in modern wheat, please be specific. I don’t take seriously the alleged harm of materials that can’t be measured, identified and named…</p>

<p>A southern Italian diet based on pasta - well, that is a very high wheat diet.</p>

<p>Some people (including in the original linked video that started this thread) are throwing in rice to the gluten-diet mix - no, there is no gluten in rice.</p>

<p>This is essentially what was mentioned in the Wheat Belly book</p>

<p>In the 1950s, in an attempt to end world hunger, American agronomist Norman Ernest Borlaug began developing new varieties of wheat in Mexico that were resistant to the diseases that plagued wheat crops. By 1962, he had effectively cross-pollinated the wheat a whopping 8,156 times in only 15 years, a feat that would have taken nature thousands of years to accomplish. The end product consisted of six semi-dwarf, high-yield, disease-resistant wheat varieties that “were going to save the world from starvation,” according to the press. The seeds were shipped off to hungry countries, and by 1968, Borlaug’s varieties were producing enough to feed all of Pakistan and India. In 1970, this increase of the food supply, dubbed the “Green Revolution,” landed him the Nobel Peace Prize. Today, Borlaug’s wheat varieties dominate the entire US supply. Coincidentally, the rates of autoimmune diseases have risen from 21% in 1975 to an incredible 93% in 2000. Even Borlaug himself died of lymphoma in 2009. And celiacs disease, a gastrointestinal manifestation of gluten sensitivity, has increased 400% over the last 50 years according to the New England Journal of Medicine. So, what’s changed? Certainly not our genes. While ending world hunger is a humbling endeavor, messing with the genetics of our food supply comes with its own set of problems. Borlaug designed his wheat to have heavy heads of enlarged grains supported by thick, dwarfed stalks.** This “dwarf” wheat was, by definition, a mutation. The wheat’s genes were drastically changed in a short amount of time, and our bodies simply haven’t had time to adapt. Without any research into the possible side effects, our country has been ingesting this mutant wheat (and thus, mutant gluten) for breakfast, lunch and dinner for decades.**</p>

<p>Here is the wheat guy
<a href=“Norman Borlaug - Wikipedia”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>@DrGoogle Well, “coincidentally” has a real meaning doesn’t it?</p>

<p>Dwarf stature in wheat is a simple height mutation. It does not cause changes in the protein. Use of phrases like “mutant gluten” just show how deeply ignorant the Wheat Belly author is.</p>

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<p>He died at age 95 !!</p>

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<p>This refers to the number of crosses he made, no variety is the result 8,000 crosses, it is the result of maybe half a dozen crosses that worked in that particular line. So saying it would take nature 1000’s of years to achieve 8,000 crosses is just meaningless.</p>