GoForth Journal

@goforth:

This is where it gets tough,your S has some darn good choices, and this is where the numbers stop meaning as much, the analytics, and the gut comes in. For example, I wouldn’t use a given student as in indication of playing level, keep in mind that even at the best programs there may be students who seem, well, not so great. It is much better to see things like student performances and seeing many kids, to get an idea, or even if possible listen to the other kids auditioning to see the level.

My S auditioned at a grad program that is very, very high level, he sat in on a studio class of a very well respected and known teacher, and there was a girl playing there who he was shocked at how terrible some of her technique was, yet other kids in the class were mind blowing.

It isn’t that everyone at a U Mich or Juilliard (or even Curtis, I have seen kids on violin there that I really wondered how they got in, even to my ears that were not great), everyone is ‘the best’, the difference between schools IME is the relative numbers of kids playing at a top level, at a school like Rice or Juilliard or CIM or whatnot, on a given instrument there will be a lot more kids in that upper 5% then what you might see at a more ‘second tier’ school, so let’s say at “great school A” 5% of the violinists are at that top level, whereas as school B it may be a fraction of 1% (and these are totally hypothetical numbers, not real ones). The other big difference is the range of playing, at places like Juilliard et al, the range between the best players and the worst ones is going to be a lot smaller than in a less competitive program.

Likely, too, the playing level is probably more clustered in the top let’s say 25% (if there is any way to say “this is the level for the top 25% violinists”) at a top school, whereas the playing level at a less competitive school might be in the top 40% (again, purely for illustration purposes, when someone can scientifically evaluate violin level my son’s old teacher would track them down, shoot them and make sure their work never saw the light of day lol).

Obviously numbers come into play if something is financially undoable, but it is going to be a subconscious synthesis of teacher, program, school,location and how many great bars are within walking distance of the music school (well, okay, maybe the last one is only important if the kid is a descendent of PDQ Bach), and know that there is no science to it, no real ‘right answer’ like in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade “You chose wisely” kind of thing, and that in choosing from multiple paths looking back what you often find (least with my S and with his UG choices), is that a choice he might think now would have been better for him 4 years ago would likely have had consequences (for example, had my son chosen Colburn, instead of the school he went to, he would not have had the experience he had with music theory, which is another big love of his, going there likely would have not allowed him to find/have that love). Plus there is the “road less travelled” syndrome, where down the road you took the road less travelled and it was great for whatever you choose:)

@GoForth Only one comment. I am not a fan of debt, but if he loved Miami much more than any place else, I think over a life time, it might be worth it (or trying for more). If not, then no.

OK second comment. My S turned down the in-person interview with UMich. I still haven’t gotten a straight answer why, but he knew he didn’t want to go there. I don’t think this influenced his decision, but he did say the music school is on the north part of campus and almost everything else is on the south side. If you are only focused on being at the music school - no impact. If this hasn’t come up, it is worth asking others about that feel. The other thing is that the campus is very Greek and into sports - that could be a good or a bad for your son. With such a big school with excellent academics, I am certain that many students aren’t that way and he will find his crowd with such a great music school, but it is also something to consider. Everyone I know who attended UM is a rabid UM sports fan. Just some thoughts, but no real advice. Good luck.

GoForth, your son has only great choices here. A couple of questions: Did he click with a particular teacher? and
Does he fancy the idea of being in the NYC area?

Congratulations! You have some wonderful and affordable choices on the table! It seems like there are some clear differences between programs, aside from the money factor, to help in your decision making. Does your S seem to have a preference for large program v small? UNT is definitely an outlier in terms of how large the program is, which can have advantages and disadvantages. I think the bass faculty is great at all of your choices. (FYI, Todd Coolman will be splitting his time between Purchase and IU Jacobs starting next year, so no one is really sure how many students he’ll take in his studio going forward.) Did your S really click with anyone more than the others? Was he able to meet other jazz faculty? My S has found that his combo and repertoire teachers have a ton of influence, and they can have wildly divergent personalities, and are different every term, so the more faculty he’s met and the more he has a good feel for the vibe of the place the better. If he chooses a smaller program, how did he feel about the students he met at auditions? Where did he feel like he fit in best with what will be his peers?

I know you haven’t visited the NE yet to be able to compare the areas. Paterson, NJ is pretty rough, but Wayne, where the University sits, is nice suburban. But it IS suburban. He’ll have to travel some to get to the clubs if that is important to him at this point. Will your S have a car at college? If not, how is public transportation and is it bass friendly? (In NYC area, trains are good, buses a crap-shoot-depends on the time and the driver.) How important is it to your S to be around an active scene during UG? As mentioned above…since all choices are University based, how important is the overall culture of the school? Was he able to get a feel for that on your visits?

Haha…I’ve just peppered you with questions! But it really does almost come down to gut at this point, and personal preference, once you’ve eliminated choices based on funding. Congrats again on so successfully navigating this crazy process…I’m looking forward to hearing your decision!

Alright.

@songaday - The NYC area sounds like a plus. I mean, it is the jazz mecca. It could be cool to be there, but it is not key for S. I think S clicked with everybody. I think jazz bassists (cool-squared) are going to click.

@indeestudios - We are from a very small town. We had to actively travel out to shape S’ learning. I think big is good. He’s probably had enough small for a while. One thing that both S and I look out for a lot is how good do we think everyone is. S knows how to tell more than I do. The senior/grad bands are always better than S. We don’t always get to see the lower bands, but sometimes we do. I think a huge place has sort of a built is system for having people migrate to where they belong. S will not start out with a car. We will try learning about zip cars or paying people gas money to drive the band somewhere.

I could feel a difference between Miami and UNT, but it didn’t really matter. Both places get the job done. We didn’t visit other places long enough to get the vibe.

More later…

Is Frost off the table due to cost and due to the BA offer versus BM? I understand that your son wrote a note indicating cost would mean saying no: is that revocable if that was the reason for the unexpected diversion to BA?

WP and Purchase have NYC factor, but not IN the city.

To me it would seem a choice between UM and UNT, but those are the ones your son knows best, so perhaps he has an opinion.

Will you be able to travel east, or revisit any campuses anywhere?

Some people make choices by taking two schools and eliminating the one of the two that is less preferable, then pitting the remaining one against the next one and so on, like dominoes. I can’t think like that. I have to look at the choices globally until they are down to two, then decide : )

This is a great situation to be in, as you well know.

Frost was lost due to cost.

The decision is made by S for UNT.

Go Mean Green!!!

Congrats to @GoForth and S! It has been fun to follow your journey

What an amazing jazz program to join! Congrats!

Thanks. It is a milestone. I think the journey will continue on.

Congrats to your son @GoForth

Congrats and best of luck!

Congrats - I predicted the winner to you months ago.

Congrats @GoForth. Great choice!

Wonderful!!! I wish him the very best!!

Congratulations @GoForth! After following your journey, I can say this is literally a dream come true!

Wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing n the GoForth Journal! It seems a good sign that your son made the decision fairly quickly. He must be pretty certain and that is a good thing. Good luck!

Congratulations!!