Maybe her friends don’t know she has good legs.
I’m not understanding why you are saying they are not here legally under DACA? What you posted uses lawful vs legal but says “An individual who has received deferred action is authorized by DHS to be present in the United States, and is therefore considered by DHS to be lawfully present during the period the deferment is in effect.” It doesn’t change status or lead to citizenship but they are lawfully here while DACA approved. We may just be crossing wires though/caught in the semantics and technicalities as you said.
@GMTplus7 UT girl is allowed to be here for now. And can we drop picking apart the dumb tweet? Any of us or our kids can likely be found guilty of a post we probably shouldn’t have… She was obviously trying to be light and make a statement. We don’t really know. Probably caught up in the moment. This is such a glass house issue. I would blame her age except I’ve seen much worse with mature adults.
Just because Ruth Madoff was not criminally complicit in her husband’s financial fraud doesn’t mean she gets to keep the booty.
She also wasn’t labeled a criminal OR held.accountable for the actions of her husband.
She still can’t keep the money.
Actually they let her keep 2.5M, but Im afraid I don’t get the point. Whatever it is though, I think it important to remember we are talking about children, not a 60 year old.millionaire.
$2.5 million?
I’m referring to the $20 Billion (with a capital “B”) her husband skimmed off of his $65 billion fraud scheme. She didn’t get to keep the billions despite her not being found criminally accountable.
Prosecutors let Ruth Madoff keep some money/assets because they could not say with certainty that she knew, collaborated or participated in her husband’s crimes.
@GMTplus7 the difference is the educational benefits they’ve been granted aren’t illegal here. The government provides education through high school regardless of status and no federal laws prohibit admissions to college.
You’re entirely missing the point. The issue isn’t about these illegal immigrant students getting admitted/funded for college. The issue is that these students are allowed to stay in the US even though their parents violated immigration laws.
Not missing the point. DACA allows one to be here lawfully despite parents actions. You may disagree with it but it’s lawful.
I think we’re probably just beating a dead horse at this point. The two sides of this issue will not come together.
I’m not unsympathetic. But the bottom line is: if we’re going to keep giving every illegal immigrant amnesty, then why even have a border? Just get rid of passport control in every gateway airport, and let everybody in.
I don’t think children are at all guilty for what their parents did. Heck, there are kids who didn’t even know they were undocumented until much later.
I’m sure if my parents took me to another country to visit Auntie Em, and they said, “let’s stay here,” I would have had no idea that was wrong…and even if I did, what could I do.
These kids are not any more guilty than the kids who are shopping with their parents, and mom shoplifts something by shoving the item into their stroller.
that said, I don’t believe the tweet was intended to be just for her friends. Her friends already knew that info. And…the parents did “cut in line.”
I think maybe a better analogy would be…
Say parents snuck themselves and their kids into Walt Disney World…and WDW found out. They’re all “illegally” in WDW…but the parents are the criminals…the kids are innocent victims of parents’ decision. However, WDW would remove them all…even the innocent kids.
BUT…obviously, living in a country for years is not the same as sneaking into WDW for a day, so the decent conclusion was to let kids who’ve lived here, stay here under DACA.
Agree the kids should stay and not reasonable to send the parents away immediately but after an age of say 21 the parents should be forced to leave and stay out of the US for X years. I definitely understand how most are upset the immigration laws are not enforced but I am surprised folks would want to extend it to kids that are victims themselves.
Where it gets tricky is in situations when kid has only been in the US for a few years and/or perhaps came in at 14 or 15…it would be nice if government could compromise and come up with a workable set of rules that are then strictly enforced, including stiff penalties to those who employ illegal immigrants and which does not include another amnesty…
Here’s the real threat to American jobs–but no one’s campaigning on this issue:
Railing against border crossing takes our attention off actual jobs taken away from professionals and given to low-paid immigrants. All “legal” cuz, well, you tell me.
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Where it gets tricky is in situations when kid has only been in the US for a few years and/or perhaps came in at 14 or 15…it would be nice if government could compromise and come up with a workable set of rules that are then strictly enforced, including stiff penalties to those who employ illegal immigrants and which does not include another amnesty…
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that is a good point, and I don’t know how that is addressed. If a family illegally came here or over-stayed a visa after arriving within a couple of years, and their kids are enrolled in school here, should the kids be allowed to stay? Probably not.
Don’t know what the proper time frame should be…5+ years?
“including stiff penalties to those who employ illegal immigrants and which does not include another amnesty”
I believe that these are the criminals we need to be focusing on. A lot of people don’t realize that our whole agricultural system is dependent on undocumented workers now. They are the reason that our food has gotten significantly cheaper over the last few decades and the US now has the cheapest groceries in the world. I live in an agricultural area. The farmers basically send invitations to Mexico when they are running low on labor. One good friend is an the head of HR for a big agricultural company. Very early every spring, before the rest of the area’s seasonal labor has kicked into high gear, her company flies in a couple hundred farm workers even though there are plenty of unemployed seasonal workers available. Even with housing, it is a lot cheaper than employing the out of work farmworkers who are already here and available. She says there are a lot of loop holes in the guest worker regulations that allow them to do that. Does the company make sure that all those people get back on the plane at the end of the season? Uh…no.
Until a few years ago I worked as a low level headhunter for a recruiting company in our area. I frequently answered the phones for the guy in charge of doing the labor staffing. I think most of you all would be shocked at the number of employers who would ask us about how to get undocumented workers or just come right out and say 1) they didn’t care whether their employees were documented or not or 2) that was their preference.
A couple decades ago, big farms in the upper midwest sent busses to the border to bring back workers. At one point, the US Forest Service was one of the biggest employers of undocumented labor.
Like it or not, the undocumented immigrants are here because “we” wanted them here.
DACA only applies to kids who were here before 2007. What are we going to do with the 5 year old whose parents brought here in in 2008?
“But the fact that these girls have the DACA status, are going to college, are obviously long time residents, I don’t understand that “there is generally no path to citizenship for” them? That is really messed up. Seriously.”
Yes, it is. DACA is a kind of limbo. Many of these kids were not aware they were undocumented until they applied to college. Their parents never told them. There are a fair number who don’t speak the language of their birth country. Hispanic students are more commonly in the news, but there are lots of Dreamers from Asia and Eastern Europe.