<p>Does anyone know a good breeder for F1b pups?</p>
<p>What is F1b?</p>
<p>F1b is a backcross so it would be a doodle bred with a golden. </p>
<p>Sorry, stressed, I don’t know any breeders for goldendoodles. Two of our dogs are labradoodles and are great dogs. One piece of advice I will offer is to not expect that they won’t shed. It wasn’t a concern for us but I know that many people make the choice for this reason. Years ago when we got ours, I recall that there were online forums that were quite fun, and that had lots of owners and breeders participating. You might want to look for one of those for some recommendations. Good luck!</p>
<p>Mine is just the golden/poodle mix. He doesn’t really shed much at all. But he barks A LOT. Actually, when he is really worked up, it’s not a bark so much as shrieking/screaming. It’s great if you like the sensation of being heart pounding startled and the hair on the back of your neck electrified.</p>
<p>hahahahaha nrdsb4. Too funny. I am dealing with a barking dog right now without much success.</p>
<p>Ran into a woman walking two labradoodles that were rescue. They were great looking dogs. I have seen some really odd looking labradoodles on line though.</p>
<p>An FIB is a back cross between an FI cross of two breeds “back” to one of the breeds of origin. In this case F1B is much more likely to be between an F1 goldendoodle and a poodle, in order to get the non shedding coat. So 75% poodle and 25% golden, usually. </p>
<p>Agree on the fact that you will probably get some shedding of hair with the golden doodle. We have a 8-year-old labradoodle–great dog, really smart–but he does shed. Nothing like our lab did, but not hair-free.</p>
<p>I’m sure it will be an unpopular opinion, but if you look into it you will find that no <em>responsible</em> breeder of “purebreds” would allow their puppies to be used for deliberately breeding mutts. (There’s nothing wrong with mutts, per se. Deliberately producing them, when the shelters are full of them, is another matter.) A well-bred puppy would be sold with a contract that precludes it. A responsible breeder adheres to a high standard of breed-worthiness that includes generations of health clearances, success in the show/obedience/performance (field trial, herding, or whatever), proper temperament, etc. It is not just a matter of AKC registration, which is pretty meaningless.</p>
<p>A possible exception is the strain of labradoodles developed in Australia.</p>
<p>I’m sure they are lovely dogs. If you can get one from rescue, great. Rewarding those who produce them for $$ is another matter, at least for me and many other dog lovers.</p>
<p>How do you create new breeds without cross breeding? And looking at how some of the purebreds have been deformed over the last century, I’m not sure I think much of “responsible” breeders. <a href=“100 Years of Breed “Improvement” | Science and Dogs”>http://dogbehaviorscience.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/</a></p>
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<p>Depends on your definition of responsible. I know a few very responsible breeders of doodles. To intimate that they are not responsible simply due to the type of dog they’re breeding would be as silly as for me to intimate that the two absolutely awful breeders I’ve had the misfortune of knowing who breed nothing but purebred showdogs, are indicative of all breeders of purebred dogs.</p>
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<p>I found out this the hard way. D2 was set on having a golden doodle. I purchased one from an allegedly reputable breeder, a mother of 7 who lived in the Oklahoma countryside. I had to get on a waiting list and was 1st place when my turn came. A couple of weeks after the litter was born, the breeder called me and asked if I would be interested in a male rather than the female I had requested, as another waiting for a male changed her mind. By this time I’d heard that it wasn’t smart to have 2 females in the house, so considering our female lab was pretty alpha, I agreed. The puppy was so fluffy and cute when I picked him up (at a midpoint between the breeder’s home and Dallas) and basically looked like the photos (supposedly you couldn’t come out in advance to see the pups because of a regional parvo outbreak, blah blah). </p>
<p>Only after getting the dog home and taking him to the vet for an exam and haircut did we realize that the puppy had a severe congenital facial deformity. His snout points to the side and his teeth are a mess on one side, resulting in a perpetual half snarl. I am not a dog person, always had cats, and just didn’t think to examine it closely, and it was so fluffy it just wasn’t obvious to us. Well, everything I did re: this transaction was stupid, but I was way too trusting and inexperienced. Anyway, by this time the kids were in love with him, and we weren’t getting our money back. Lesson learned. I should have gone after the breeder, but I didn’t think I’d get a good resolution, and the girls would have been devastated had I returned him. Several weeks later, the vet found a surgical staple in his ear, which he believes was used to staple the ear onto the head so that it would appear that the ears were the same length. I kid you not.</p>
<p>We love the goofy looking little fellow, but we paid a lot of $$$ for a deformed mutt, as Consolation mentions above. He is healthy otherwise, and everyone who knows him says his face is part of his character, and I agree. If I could change him and make him look normal, I wouldn’t. </p>
<p>I would figure out a way to stop the shrieking, though. :)</p>
<p>I think they are cute but oh my, I just looked them up in our area and they want $800 for a non purebred dog! That’s alot of money. I guess I was expecting $200 - $350. To find a reputable breeder I’d call the local vets and ask.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.goldendoodles.com/forumfaq.htm”>http://www.goldendoodles.com/forumfaq.htm</a></p>
<p>stressed, that’s a forum that a friend used last year when her son was considering a doodle. It might be a place to start your search for a reputable breeder.</p>
<p>I agree with consolation. I’ve seen doodles sell for upwards of 3000 dollars, for what is essentially a very cute mutt. As she mentions, there are a few people trying very hard to promote doodles in a reputable way, but they are not the majority. There can be a lot of variation and very little in the way of predictability. Even more so if you breed F1s to one another. On the positive side, it is possible to get the benefit of hybrid vigor, but without generations of screening behind a program, it’s often a crap shoot. </p>
<p>There are all kind of great reasons to rescue a dog and also perfectly valid reasons people might want a predictable lineage in terms of temperament, health, allergies or performance. </p>
<p>Consolation, I’m sure that some breeders of goldendoodles are irresponsible. But can’t the same be, unfortunately, said for a lot of purebred breeders? Like, from what I’ve heard, every single breeder of bulldogs?</p>
<p>Perhaps a minority opinion here, but in my mind, unless you’re planning to breed or show your dog the only reason to buy a purebred dog, aside from a slight snob factor, is for the predicability of the traits it will display. My goldens are typical of the breed-obedient, loving, good with children, ball and water obsessed chewers who shed like crazy and are prone to cancer. The reputable doodle breeders I know are doing just what a reputable golden breeder does, mating dogs for looks, temperament, and health. Nrsd4’s story is sad, but it could happen with a breeder of purebreds as well. When we were looking into buying a different breed we visited a breeder who was a member of the breed’s AKC club. The place was a horror show, so unsanitary that I wouldn’t spend more than 5 minutes there, and with adult dogs I would never want to have.</p>
<p>My one caution about doodles and other crosses is that it’s hard to know which side of the genetic mix will express itself more in your dog. I’ve seen goldendoodles who looked and acted just like goldens and others who were all poodle. If you couldn’t be happy with either the sire or dam I wouldn’t purchase a cross.</p>
<p>What is a reputable breeder: </p>
<p>1) They only breed animals that come from health-tested stock. At this point in time, that health testing should have been done for many generations. Health testing means that their hips, elbows, eyes, hearts–whatever the potential issues in the breed–have been tested and cleared by board-certified specialists (eyes and heart) or groups such as OFAA (hips and elbows). “The vet says he’s healthy” does not qualify.
2) They only sell puppies with a contract that a) requires spay/neuter of all non-show/performance dogs, b) requires that the purchaser return the dog to the breeder for rehoming if at ANY time in the dog’s life the purchaser cannot keep him, (in practice, if the owner find a another good home, such as with a relative, this may be waived after approval of the new home) c) in the case of a potential breeding animal, may require a financial payment to the breeder for destruction of reputation if the owner breeds the dog without the breeder’s approval.
3) All puppies are micro-chipped
4) All breeding stock must have correct temperament for the breed.</p>
<p>That is probably the absolute minimum. Many would say that any dog bred should be “breed worthy.” that is, it should have proved its worthiness to be bred by winning in the show ring and/or obedience, agility, tracking, hunting, herding, or whatever trials the dog is bred for.</p>
<p>A responsible breeder does not breed two random animals whose only qualification is intact genitalia. They do not let the puppies go out in the world to potentially end up in a shelter or produce more puppies that end up in a shelter. They do not say “I just want to breed nice pets.” Any show litter has nice pets. Thousands of nice pets are killed in shelters every month. Less than 50% of dogs remain in their original home. </p>
<p>I completely agree about the lack of ethics and stupidity of some “show” breeders who have contributed to exaggerated physical traits that make dogs suffer, like pushed-up faces.</p>
<p>As to “how are new breeds to be developed,” if you look into the history of it you will see that some breeds just naturally emerged from regions, probably based on outstanding individuals who were good at useful tasks. (Think of the Morgan Horse.) But rather than romanticize it, also realize that a lot of unwanted puppies were drowned. If you look at deliberate breed development in the 19th century, realize that what was happening was a lot of “culling” of litters to eliminate dogs that didn’t have the desired characteristics. I doubt that any of us would suggest that that is an acceptable practice today.</p>
<p>From what I’ve read, if breeders only bred bulldogs from health tested stock, we would have no bulldogs.</p>
<p>Consolation, it sounds like you are saying that breeders should know, more or less, what the result of their breeding is going to be. But if a breeder mates two dogs of different breeds, they can’t know what the result will be.</p>
<p>“Reputable breeder” is something I could never quite get my head around. It’s just not something I could ever find reputable. </p>
<p>Anyway, I know quite a few lovely Goldendoodles but I’m not sure what makes them any more special than any other mutt (or purebred for that matter). I hope you find what you’re looking for. </p>
<p>Thank you for providing your definition, consolation, but it isn’t everyone’s.</p>
<p>Two of our four dogs are rescues, and of our Ds who have dogs, two of them have a rescue. While it’s nice to rescue a dog and give them, hopefully, a forever home, you do not know what you’re going to get. Two of ours have been good dogs, the other two have had problems that I wouldn’t wish on anyone. Thankfully, people have the right to make their own decisions about choosing what kind of pup they want. </p>
<p>Good luck to you, stressed, with your search. Don’t let others dictate what your family chooses to do.</p>