<p>Well, there are warm clothes for the cold weather … but what people do during EXTREME sunshine at Texas? :-)</p>
<p>As has been discussed the student interested in a double degree needs to consider options. One option might be to go to an Ivy or other academically oriented school and participate in an ensemble, provided physics lab does not conflict. Another extreme would be to go to a conservatory and take an academic course or two each semester. For the student who truly wants the double degree path, the options can become very limited. Ideally, the student finds and is accepted into the program which provides both a suitable academic fit and matches the student’s level of music ability. Some other concerns have already been mentioned: distance between campuses and support of the faculties and administration for double degree students.</p>
<p>There are also some financial considerations which might not be obvious. One that is obvious is the extra, fifth year of tuition payments. Some schools do have very minimal requirements for a double degree and this might make it possible for a student to complete the requirements in under five years. Oberlin is probably the best example and as a result many students do in fact complete a double degree. For other options, there may be no special considerations for the dd students and the requirements for 2 degrees can be daunting. This may not be that bad. Many students start dd programs and then later make the decision to specialize and perhaps do a major and minor degree instead. Some students also thrive on the heavy workload requirements with music becoming a relief from the academics and also a part of their social life and a substitute for drinking, parties, and other more typical forms of college entertainment and fun.</p>
<p>When considering options it is worthwhile to look at the financial policies. Some of these may not be obvious. I will give a few examples to suggest the types of information to look for. Typically, the dd student applies separately and the financial cost will be the HIGHER of the two offers. Example: an Eastman candidate could receive a nice merit award, but this would be forfeited for the dd student and URoch costs would be necessary. Definitely, find out about the charges for excess courses. Fortunately, my D is not limited and can take additional courses at no charge. Oberlin charges $900 per credit over 16 semester hours. My D’s freshman year would have cost an additional $10,800 at Oberlin. Well, maybe not, a heavy workload would not have been necessary, or allowed, at Oberlin. If workstudy is a consideration, think about that for a dd student. My D has had a tough time fitting in more than about 4 hours/week. Whether dd or just straight music, don’t forget about the potential costs of Aspen or other summer programs or the costs of upgrading to professional level instruments.</p>
<p>My impression of Texas is not just sunshine, but cows, oil wells, humidity and blowing dust. But I could be wrong.</p>
<p>DS and DD both looked at colleges in the warm climates. The reality is that during the warmest months, school is not in session and the students don’t have to deal with the weather in the college town. DS seriously considered UNT. It would have been a bit warm for the first month, but after that, it would have been nice and mild…and by May he would have been in New England. Speaking of Texas…how about Rice?</p>
<p>I would have liked DS to consider Rice, but he won’t look at schools in Texas either…</p>
<p>I understand the music program at Rice is very small with only one or two dozen graduates per year. You also need to learn to tawlk right if you’all fixin’ to go to Texas.</p>
<p>Actually, anyone in the double degree program at Oberlin gets 17 hours per semester at no additional charge. They can also take orchestra, wind ensemble or chorus for 0 credit hours instead of the normal 1 and the principal private lesson for 3 instead of the normal 4. That makes the equivalent of 19 hours per semester possible without additional charges or paperwork. The double degree requires a minimum of 152 semester hours there (which, coincidentally equals 8 times 19.) If edad’s daughter would have gotten permission to overload to 22 hours per semester (which is doubtful), the charges would have been at most $2700 per semester and quite possibly less than that if she were to explore some other angles. </p>
<p>For those considering work-study there, living, eating and working at the housing and dining co-ops reduces living costs more than the equivalent number of hours spent at a work-study job would pay. Most of the students that I spoke with said the the co-op food was much better than the cafeteria food. Depending on the co-op jobs you take, the hours can be pretty flexible so as not to interfere with rehearsals and practice the way a scheduled shift might. My daughter tends to average the equivalent of 17-18 semester hours plus six hours per week doing co-op work. If she continues on for the double degree, she will probably take ten full semesters but will be able to take several electives of interest above and beyond the minimum requirements.</p>
<p>Don’t forget many double degree students come in with AP credits which could easily cut a semester out, and with enough AP’s, even a year.</p>
<p>BassDad and Beethoven bring up important points. Rather than rely on written policies, it is best to ask questions and understand the details of the programs. Programs that require heavy courseloads may be possible, but may not be a good choice. Schools also differ greatly in accepting AP credits. My D would have transferred over a semester at the State U, but got zero credits at the school she is attending. My D quickly found out that the rigor of her college courses was far beyond the level of her high school AP courses.</p>
<p>Non-Music Majors Study, Perform; Some Pursue Music Careers</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2007/02/music0.html[/url]”>http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2007/02/music0.html</a></p>
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<p>Can anyone tell more about music and languages at NYU? I looked at their web-site and was confused, which of NYU’s colleges is better in music and languages: CAS or Steinhardt? Both have music major and foreign languages, but it looks that the music at Steinhardt is more serious (you need to audition), but opportunities with languages and linguistics are better at CAS (but there IS some “foreign language education” at Steinhardt).</p>
<p>The web-site says you can only apply to one college, one major. Does it mean that not passing music audition for Steinhardt means you are denied admission to NYU? Is it possible to apply to one college to NYU and, if admitted, transfer to another? Can you double-major between two different colleges?</p>
<p>Which of the two (CAS or Steinhardt) have higher academic standards for admissions?</p>