Good Pre-Med Schools

[vp989]

<p>I’m a high school junior, and I’m planning to go to a medical school. I’ve started to consider my options–what are the top pre-med schools to go into? Also, what are the top BS/MD programs? I know Northwestern’s is one of the best…</p>

[vp989]

<p>I’m considering Harvard, Washington U., Northwestern, and ND (I live 5 min from ND)… what else should I consider?</p>

[Hamchuck]

<p>it’s kinda hard to voice opinions when you don’t give any academic information, in case that rules out those high reach ivies…</p>

[deedee2344]

<p>Brown has BS/MD program, but it’s pretty competitive, as are all of these type of programs. Look at stats on the net and find books at the library or B&N.</p>

[bluedevilmike]

<p>First, the “top” BS/MD programs in terms of being associated with selective medical schools are probably Wash U and Rice.</p>

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<p>Second, look for a place where you believe you’ll excel - not just as a student (although of course that too) but as a person. Where can you find room to grow? To learn to nurture others, to demand the most out of yourself? To understand how to work and inspire confidence and professionalism - all these things are less tangible aspects that I think you can feel when you walk onto a campus.</p>

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<p>Third, there are, in fact, specific things to look for. I have a particular thread which I love - it’s how I earn my Blue Devil stripes. The point is not “Come to Duke!” (well, that too) but just gives you a basic idea behind what things you ought to look for:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=147457[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=147457&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Fourth, reading through old posts on this forum may lead you to one of three conclusions: prestige helps you, grade inflation helps you, and your choices doesn’t matter at all. All three of these hypotheses have grains of truth without being completely correct.</p>

<p>On prestige, notice we are discussing medical students competing for residencies, but the logic probably holds:

Bluedevilmike: The general consensus is this: they have a list of “good schools” and list of “other schools”…</p>

<p>If you are from a “good” school, and your application has no glaring flaws, then you get an interview. If you are from an “other” school, and your application does not have any glaring HIGH points, you do not get an interview. Once you get an interview, that becomes the most important component of their decision, although other things still matter.</p>

<p>Special features - either good or bad - might be board scores, class rank, a second degree, etc. </p>

<p>Bigredmed: That’s a great way of putting it. What I have tried to say all along, whether it’s undergrad, or medical school, or even residency, if you do well, then where you went is not likely to impact your chances. Doing well is a panacea for almost everything.

<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=164956[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=164956&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>On grade inflation:

**bluedevilmike:**If undergrad GPA was all that mattered, and undergrad institution didn’t matter at all, then you’d see that among undergraduate schools, all the kids admitted would have the same grades. After all, if school doesn’t matter, then isn’t a 3.65 the same, no matter where you get it from? A 3.65 from nowhere state should be the same as a 3.65 from Berkeley, a 3.65 from Duke, and a 3.65 from MIT.</p>

<p>Empirically, this simply isn’t what you see… adcoms really are paying attention to undergrad institution… Notice that this is not [perfectly] correlated with prestige.

<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=183418[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=183418&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>On whether it matters at all:

Bigredmed:[Don’t] look at prestige as a deciding factor - that name recognition… But there are plenty of other factors that undergraduate institutions provide that vary from school to school… These are probably hard to quantify in a really meaningful way. And the schools that really do well in these categories may or may not line up with the prestige rankings…

<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=197765[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=197765&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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norcalguy:Clearly the caliber of students is the single biggest reason for why schools like Duke or Stanford have a higher acceptance rate than state schools but that doesn’t discount the obvious advantages of going to a top school.

<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=201428[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=201428&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[deedee2344]

<p>BDM, I guess you’re saying that there’s no definite, eh?</p>

[Bigredmed]

<p>Can we just make that post required reading for anyone who starts a thread on this forum?</p>

<p>Way to cover it all!</p>

[vp989]

<p>I just wanted to say thanks for the lengthy response, Mike.</p>

[dementedx14]

<p>hey is northeastern a “good” school.</p>

[yippie]

<p>JHU? i dunno hehaha</p>

[L0ki]

<p>Johns Hopkins</p>

[celestial605]

<p>I’ll put in a plug for Stanford - the premed advisors are wonderful and will help with anything from planning classes to deciding on extracurriculars to reading personal statements to just chatting. You definitely won’t feel like you’re lost and alone, as long as you use these resources. Being premed is competitive (i.e. classes are tough), but I don’t find it cutthroat at all; there are plenty of study groups and people who care about others’ progress.</p>

[theslowclap]

<p>I’ll put a plug in for Cornell - the premeds are cutthroat and scintillate with joy when someone in chemistry lab drops his beaker because that ultimately means everyone else’s grades will go up by 1% for that lab.</p>

<p>HA just kidding. People are friendly, classes are managable (you can get an A if you really really try), premed advisors are hot, teachers are hot, research is plenty, resources abound, food is great, the weather rocks like crazy, and we’re just inarguably cooler than everyone else.</p>

[theslowclap]

<p>three more posts until I get 300!!!</p>

[Darth_Raid3r]

<p>Does anybody know about the quality of USC as a premed school. Only thing that worries me is its size…it’s probably the largest private I applied to.</p>

<p>Got in today under biological sciences, so does anybody have experience with their pre-med program?</p>

[anon94785555]

<p>Pick schools that are a good fit for you, just like everyone else applying to college. Tougher schools have an advantage, you do not want the easiest public school; remember public medical schools are full of students from their flagship universities. You want to enjoy college so concentrate on the good ones that appeal to you, not the ones with the best admittance stats. Remember to have a major you like, you can be an art or music major; it’s harder to take all the required science courses but you will be happier.</p>

<p>Consider this- you may change your mind about becoming a physician, or not get into a medical school. Plan on the major and school that you want to spend your time in, your choice will affect how well you do in college. Top priority now is a place you can imagine living for four years.</p>

[richter915]

<p>geez, I feel like such a fool for going to Stony Brook University (a SUNY) but when you consider how much I pay to go here (less than a thousand per semester due to scholarships) I feel like it’s worth. So consider the cash you have to spend. It might not be worth the 40K a year for NYU. You shouldn’t discount all state schools I feel. Pre-med here at Stony is pretty vicious to say the least.</p>

[collegebond78]

<p>Sophie dAVIS IS QUITE SOLID FOR THEIR 7 YEAR bs/md Progarm.</p>

[bluedevilmike]

<p>So… would we be getting even more “pick a school” for me threads without post #5? Or were my efforts in vain?</p>

[bluedevilmike]

<p>A PM that was sent to me has had all identifying information removed.</p>

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I like both schools, and they are financially equal. Can you please advise me which school will be better for admission to med school? Do the USNWR rankings matter to MD admission committees?</p>

<p>School X is ranked somewhat higher than School Y. In a hypothetical scenario, which GPA is better: 4.0 from X,or a 3.8 from Y?

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<p>1.) The USN rankings do not seem to matter much, since some schools that come from similar rankings seem to have quite different results, and some lower-ranked schools seem to have better results, on average.</p>

<p>2.) While I think it’s possible that one school could, on average, have a lower admitted-student-GPA (in which case a 3.6 from there would trump a 3.8 from someplace else), it’s impossible for me to say which school. It is not necessarily the higher-ranked one.</p>

<p>3.) 0.2 GPA points seems a little on the high end to me, in any case. I don’t think many pairs of schools will demonstrate this large a gap.</p>

<p>4.) This gap in any case would probably disappear if one of the GPA’s in question was a 4.0. It’s hard to trump a 4.0.</p>

<p>5.) While gaps are sometimes attributable to MCAT scores, they are sometimes not. Furthermore, they might be attributable to EC’s and interview skills – there’s no way for us to know.</p>