<p>How bad is grade deflation here?</p>
<p>There was an engineering prof who used to say (only half jokingly) that he does not curve except that he would seriously consider it if everyone turned in test scores 95 or above so that he could assure many would get C’s.</p>
<p>What you will find is that many courses are set up to give yourself a “curve” even if the prof may not or curves little. A large portion of your grade will be the tests but then you are also graded on homework and short and often easy quizzes (graded by TA’s) and a percent of your grade, 20% to 30%, will be based on grades for those and thus if you actually devote the time to do your homework and prepare for short quizzes you can get A’s for those and give a boost to your test grades.</p>
<p>You will also find that a number do curve and some don’t. Also, sometimes you will find tests with an extra credit question so that total points possible is a little greater than 100 but the grade scale for the test is still based on 100. Some may make the A- floor 89 rather than 90. Nevertheless, large numbers can find it difficult to maintain a B average or above.</p>
<p>Thanks; what kind of (high school/college app) stats would indicate an A engineering student? Or, in other words, what kind of grades and ACT/SAT scores would the upper curve tend be around (although I understand you’ll be extrapolating/force-fitting a bit)?</p>
<p>Oh, and since I’ve got drusba’s attention (hi), another quick one: what proportion of engineering students are OOS?</p>
<p>There really is not a correlation between high school stats and engineering A students. I knew people in engineering when I was at UIUC that had 32+ on their ACT and just didn’t do that well, and I knew people who barely got in who did awesome. Once you are in, you start with a nearly clean slate, and it really comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.</p>
<p>I can’t comment on the OoS question. You will have to wait for drusba.</p>
<p>Every ECE course I’ve taken has curved as far as I could tell. A lot of the syllabi/course descriptions explicitly said so. But I would not call it deflated (“deflation” in engineering programs is wildly exaggerated here on CC because of the abundance of spoiled WASPs who expect to be handed A’s).</p>
<p>I would guess that the core classes curve the median to the B-/C+ boundary while the upper division electives are almost all B or B+. In ECE, the mean is around 3.0 if you exclude the fresh/soph flunkers, top 25% is 3.5, top 15% is 3.75, top 10% is 3.85 (the mean is my guess, the rest I know from asking the department). This is fairly generous grading, IMO, and not at all what one would expect from reading these forums. I expect the rest of engineering to be roughly the same, although you can bet that some here will speculate on how their major must have especially harsh grading.</p>
<p>This website will tell you the proportion of internationals/OoS, even by department: [Management</a> Information - University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign](<a href=“http://www.dmi.illinois.edu/cp/]Management”>2022-2023 Campus Profile - Campus Total)</p>
<p>There is no study I am aware of on the correlation between high school GPA/test score to getting A’s in engineering. The combined OOS/international percentage in undergraduate engineering tends to be in the 25% range (sometimes higher, sometimes lower). You should not view that number as any kind of admission rate because engineering’s admisison rate is often in the 70% range for both in-state and not.</p>
<p>scuze the ignorance but </p>
<p>ECE stands for… ?</p>
<p>so it looks like there is a significant variance over the general UG student pop. for OOS/int’l . overall , int’l is 7 pct of the UG pop.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.princetonreview.com/UniversityofIllinoisatUrbanaChampaign.aspx[/url]”>http://www.princetonreview.com/UniversityofIllinoisatUrbanaChampaign.aspx</a>
/quote/Student Body
Total Undergraduate Enrollment: 30,895
Female: 46.96%
Out of State: 7%
International: 5.6%
Freshman Enrollment: 6,940/quote/</p>
<p>ECE: Electrical and Computer Engineering</p>
<p>Engineering college has the highest percentage of OOS/International. LAS college has a much lower percentage but the most OOS/international students, which simply refllects that it has four times more students than engineering.</p>
<p>Would the ECE major be the major that USNR is referring to in the following ranking? </p>
<p>[Undergraduate</a> Engineering Specialties: Computer - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-computer]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-computer)</p>
<p>Are there any other computer related engineering majors that might also be a part of such a ranking? I notice that there is another major called ‘computer science’.</p>
<p>What is the difference between ECE and CS at UIUC?</p>
<p>[Departments</a> | Engineering at Illinois](<a href=“http://engineering.illinois.edu/current-students/departments-undergraduate]Departments”>http://engineering.illinois.edu/current-students/departments-undergraduate)
[UIUC</a> College of Engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UIUC_College_of_Engineering]UIUC”>Grainger College of Engineering - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>USNews gives specialty ranking to both UIUC’s electrical engineering and computer engineering programs, even though they are part of the same department, since USNews ranking is done by reputation for each particular specialty. The specialty ranking “computer” is for the computer engineering portion of ECE; you will find that the specialty ramking for electrical shows UIUC at No. 2. Electrical engineering is a broader field than computer and computer is to a significant extent a sub specialty of electrical. Computer engineering mainly deals with hardware; computer science (CS) deals with software, although there is some overlap. USNews “engineering” rankings do not include computer science because at many colleges computer science is not an engineering major. Even at UIUC you have a computer science major in engineering and a separate math and computer science major in LAS, in either of which you can take any of the computer science courses. The main difference is that engineering CS majors must take required courses in chemistry and physics that the LAS CS majors do not and the LAS CS majors need to take more upper level math courses than the engineering CS majors.</p>