Graduated last year and having immense difficulty finding a job

I’ll preface this by saying that I have both my bachelor’s and master’s in applied mathematics. I received a 4.0 for my bachelor’s. I always feared that I would end up in the situation that I would be one of those 4.0 grads who can’t find a job because I’m “too overqualified” for any job I apply for. While there’s likely some other aspect of it, I’m now living that joke, and it’s incredibly real.

I never had any internships because this is how my academic career went:

Summer after my…
Freshman year: thought I was going to transfer that fall, so spent my summer studying for a CLEP exam I never took while also working part time.
Sophomore year: thought I was transferring that fall, and had a mental breakdown when things fell through right at the very end.
Junior year: had panic disorder and couldn’t go one day without a massive one. I surely couldn’t hold down a job.
Senior year: spent the summer trying to finish my degree on-time.
First year of grad school: I was severely burnt out and needed a break. Wasn’t sure I was returning to grad school, and applied to a few jobs. Nowhere responded because I think my resume was done extremely poorly.

Well, I didn’t apply to any jobs until after I graduated in May 2018, and the responses were pretty sparse. What I wanted to do was go into software development because that’s what I found most interesting and I decidedly said, “That’s what I want to do.” I decided to not have something like a part-time job while I look because I wanted to be able to search for jobs full-time; if a company wanted me then and now, I could easily uproot and leave. Unfortunately, the job search has been worse than I could’ve possibly imagined. November and December were dry-spells with absolutely nothing. I had a few pre-arranged on-site interviews, but unfortunately blew the interviews big time; the panels interviewing me told me that I’d hear back somewhere on the scale of 3-5 weeks or even 2 months, and each time was a swift rejection the following Monday, as if to say “HE**LL no.” I’ve been in close contact with my university’s career center for help when it comes to stuff like making a resume and mock interviews and such, and they’ve honestly been no help, really. They just keep telling me, “It’s a numbers game. Just keep getting your resume out there and something will eventually come your way.”

I have experience teaching when I was a TA last year, but the job stressed me out so much that I developed some stress-related diseases and I lost part of the vision in my left eye because of the severe strain on my body. This past January, I applied to be a teacher to get my parents off my back about finding a job, but I backed out at the last second because the thought of teaching again soured with me; I don’t want to undergo the severe stress that being a TA did on my body, so I backed out at the literal last second. I’m pretty sure that I burned that bridge to teach in the school district right now, because apparently HR for the entire school district had to pull a ton of strings to get me hired so quickly. I applied for a ton of government jobs, but due to the government shutdown, I never heard back from some of them, and likely never will. The ones I did hear back from, one DID extend a conditional job offer, but I’ve been playing back-burner on them while I scope out a few other opportunities. Let’s just say those opportunities fell through.

Currently, I live at home with my parents, and I’ve attempted to get some no-skill jobs, but apparently I can’t even land jobs at places like Home Depot and grocery stores. My parents, friends, and even people on the internet are suggesting that I’ve got Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, which means I think I’m more competent than I really am at computer programming; i.e., Imposter Syndrome, but it’s actually true. My sister and her husband have suggested that getting a math degree was worthless as it really only sets you up to teach. I refused to believe that. I’ve also been told that math degrees are considered bottom of the barrel for employers when it comes to software engineering. I really wanted to believe otherwise.

I’ve gone to some job fairs, and when they ask me what I’m interested in, I tell them “Data Science and Statistics”, but it’s not really what I’m interested in. I don’t have any experience in those things at all. I’m just saying that so they’ll actually seriously consider me for a job because I’ll take any job to get out of this madness at this point. When I get asked, “You’ve got all this nice stuff on your resume. So why’s there such a large gap in your resume after graduation?” I respond with saying that my biological mother’s health tanked before I graduated, and I’ve been doing assisted living for her (which is true; she developed dementia and she can’t be by herself for too long, but she’s not my primary responsibility) but I’m not sure how I can keep using that excuse. I don’t know how to dig myself out of this mess, and it just seems like I’m in a sinkhole because it just gets worse daily.

I’ve tried to keep this short-and-sweet for readability reasons, so some stuff is not mentioned. The most important stuff I’ve covered. Thanks to anyone who has read this. Mainly, I’m looking for insight as to what I should even do at this point. I interviewed last week at a national lab. They told me yesterday that I wasn’t selected as a candidate, and after that, I got incredibly upset because that’s the hardest I worked on preparing for an interview. I’m beginning to feel like I need to start fresh somewhere due to the fact that I’ve ruined everything I worked so hard for up until now, and thus I’ve been thinking about just moving somewhere completely spontaneously and leaving everything behind, but I’m pretty sure that’s a bad idea. I just feel lost. EDIT: and yes, to clarify, I have applied all over the US, not just locally. That’s also something that my family and such suggested is that I keep applying to faraway places and that makes me less-desirable as a candidate.

I’m sorry you’re having such a tough time. Don’t discount working for the Government. A civilian working for the armed services could be a pretty good gig. If you haven’t already, take the NSA exam. The career center at your college ought to be able to give you details. Good lucik.

So what aspect of applied math appeals to you if not data science and predictive analytics? Presumably you would had some courses where you apply math to various professional problems.

It seems like you have difficulty with human interactions and it is true that any job this summer even retail or food might be helpful. Also, for some of these jobs you don’t need to tell them that you have a masters degree.

OP, it sounds like you are struggling with a lot of mental health issues. I’m particularly concerned about your difficulty with a TA job due to stress.

It sounds like you are very comfortable with a highly structured environment where you can succeed 100% of the time and there is little uncertainty, which made you great at school. It’s hard to find a job like that.

I have a lot more thoughts on where you are probably showing weakness and where you can make concrete changes in your attitude and skills, but I’m worried that it will come across as too strong. Please let me know in a message if you’d like to go through some of what you’re saying piece by piece, because you have revealed a lot here in spite of keeping it “short and sweet”.

@CheddarcheeseMN At first, I picked the major because math was something that I was good at and I wanted to learn how to use computers to solve math problems faster (numerical analysis). That was something that had fascinated me ever since I was 13 and started to learn how to do computer programming. Before math, I thought I wanted to do computer science because software development was super fascinating. But times changed and I forgot about it. It wasn’t until the end of my bachelor’s degree that I declared a computer science minor for my degree and I remembered that I really liked it. I’d already committed to my master’s at that point, so I tried to make my master’s as programmer-y as I possibly could, which incidentally took me back to numerical analysis.

Sadly, as I’ve discovered, jobs in numerical analysis are far and few between. My professors suggested I may need to do a PhD if that’s what I’d like to do, but I’m locked out of PhDs until next year.

“I was caring for a family member, but we’re fortunate to have someone to help now.”

Missed this the first time. Call them. “I was caring for a family member and waited until I had more permanent plans in place. I’d love to take this job if it’s still open.”

What have you ruined?

Yes, email the place that you put on the back burner. You need to pursue all job opportunities.

My apologies. There was something else that I wrote before that, but ultimately ended up deleting it before publishing the OP. To clarify: I’m still in the running for this one job. I’ve back-burnered them since the beginning of March because they gave me 45 days to complete a bunch of paperwork related to the job. But even so, that’s just for the paperwork. They told me it would take SIX MONTHS to complete the rest of the hiring process. I thought I would pursue other job opportunities while that 45-day period draws on in hopes that I could maybe find something quicker.

Well, half of that 45-day period to complete paperwork has passed, and I’m REALLY needing to get started on it. However, I just got so bummed yesterday when I found out the lab rejected me, and I’m feeling incredibly defeated that I have no motivation to do it right now.

I don’t know. I guess I had this vision of being some great researcher/scientist/engineer when I was growing up and going through college that I abused myself and my health to shine academically because it was where I knew I could do best. I wanted to start my career immediately in something great, working some fancy job like at Google or something. But I guess not. It just seems like my life is destined for mediocrity and all that hard work was for nothing, really. Working at a grocery store? Whooooooo… It just makes my resume look incredibly questionable, like, “This person has all these nice accomplishments and couldn’t do any better than a grocery store? Something’s not right here…” My parents have even suggested that I go back to school for a more practical degree like engineering. I don’t know how I would manage that practically and financially. Since I have a master’s already, getting scholarships to fund a second bachelor’s is a lot harder.

Indeed, to reply to @MaineLonghorn below, I strived for greatness early on in my job search last June, but when things started looking a lot more grim by October, I started applying to “whatever” jobs that were looking for people with BSs in math–everywhere and anywhere–and found myself in the exact same situation with no one seemingly wanting me. That’s where the whole problem arose of applying to data science or statistician jobs when I have no experience with those sort of things because I’m just trying to find any job where my degree mattered, period.

OP, you can’t expect your very first job to be “The One.” We tell our kids to find ANYTHING in their field and get some experience. Then you can work your way up.

Times were so tough in the early '90s that DH and I both got laid off the same day and were standing in an unemployment line and going to a food pantry. For two overachievers who had gotten master’s degrees in structural engineering, it was tough. But you know what, that’s LIFE. We hung in there, took some crappy jobs, and eventually started our own company that we run out of our house. Most people aren’t on a straight line to success - there are going to be ups and downs. I say get to work TODAY on completing that paperwork!

Does anyone else wonder if op would be good in accounting?

How about something in the computational or mathematical biology area? It’s a newish burgeoning area.

I was actually going to suggest something similar. You don’t necessarily need a second bachelor’s. There are masters programs in CS that will take you with the experience you already have. During the time you take to do that degree, you can also be looking for internships and related jobs. You said you like software design and so this seems like a likely fit. The truth is that the market for academics is dismal.

Nov/Dec are very tough months to job hunt, so just discard that period as a time when nothing is going to happen anyway.

But at this point, I think you need to follow up on that back burnered option, and get over the idea that teaching isn’t going to work for you. I think your basic problem is that it sounds like you never had a real internship or job. That is going to make employers shy away. You are going to have to be persistent, be sure your resume and interviewing skills are as strong as possible, and keep plugging away.

I’m a independent consultant, and I have two rules when I’m between contracts and looking for a new client. 1. I make myself do three things a day toward finding my next client. It might be applying for something, contacting someone I know (usually via LinkedIn, get on if you aren’t already), going to a networking event, whatever. 2. I try to do something training oriented for at least an hour a day. I might be working on professional development hours for a certification, taking an online class in an area I want more skills in, etc.

Beyond that, I try to not focus on it all the time. I exercise, see friends, watch movies, cook, etc. I find that even in the toughest times, this approach eventually pays off.

One other suggestion. Find a wealthy area like Silicon Valley and become a math tutor, at least part time. Our local tutoring service charges $110/hour, like a Mathnasium, and the tutor probably makes a good chunk of that change.

The problem with the tutoring idea is that being a TA led to stress-related blindness for the OP. That is why I suggested taking part time jobs even in retail or grocery while the job search is underway as I sense there are some basic problems with interacting with people that could be improved upon. Lots of people with graduate degrees work in coffee shops, at least part time and for a short while. I do not recommend a PhD program for the never-employed – this is just postponing employment problems into future years. As a PhD student, you would be a TA or an RA and either way you would have to be explaining your work to others.

I replied in a chat but won’t reply more there–in sum I think that you’ve touched on some very real issues you need to resolve before you think about your forever home in a career. Some of the rejections you’ve received also might be a great opportunity to go back to and ask them why, what were the things that made them reject you?

Nobody will take care of you but you. Please take care of yourself. You made the choice to prioritize numbers over your health, and while I know it sounds strange, HR doesn’t want that. They want someone who can take care of themselves.

I do wonder why you didn’t opt for an internship?

I can see how a grocery store job looks different after college, than before.

However, believe it or not, grocery stores actually do employ data scientists and numbers people. And you can move from the floor into HQ.

I know how this feels because it once took four months for a government job to get back to me. But this is not a rejection. Fill in your paperwork! Why procrastinate?

I thought a TA leads a class, grades tests and has to interact with lots of students. And tutoring is one-on-one. There’s just a high demand for academic and test prep tutors in our area here. Each night I pass by one tutoring business going home and the place just looks like it’s hopping.

And one more thing:

You make it matter.

Nobody else will do that for you. It’s on you.

My S is also looking for jobs for the past few months, he graduated as a Comp Eng. A startup might be a good idea.

@collegematters I’m surprised to hear this. I was under the impression that the market was very good for comp. engineers. Is there a slowdown now? I don’t want to hijack OPs thread, but it might make him at least feel better knowing that others are in this same situation. I’m sorry, your son is going through this as well!