Guidance for incoming HS Freshman

Two main things come to mind reading your original post. One is that your daughter sounds amazing and is going very well. The other is that every student should take things at their own pace. You do not want your daughter to get burned out. This is a very, very long marathon, and definitely not a sprint. Each student should pace themselves accordingly.

Regarding Spanish, taking AP Spanish junior year is indeed sufficient for any university. One daughter did part of her junior year abroad, at a high school where all classes were in Spanish (this was a relatively normal high school in a Spanish speaking country). This was a very positive experience for her, but of course is not for everyone. She stayed with a family that had a daughter her age. We then hosted the other family’s daughter here at our house, which was a very positive experience for us. I have referred to my daughter’s friend as “our third daughter”. When the friend was returning to South America, at the airport she and my daughter hugged and called each other “sister” (but in Spanish). Of course, this is an experience that you do instead of doing something else (such as EC’s).

Regarding mathematics, I am a big believer again in pacing yourself. Calculus for example is very much based on the prerequisites, including high school algebra, trigonometry, and pre-calculus. In my experience for students who are very strong on all of these prerequisites calculus is relatively straightforward. For students who are weak on any of these prerequisites I have heard that calculus can be tough.

I would be careful about taking too many AP classes (or even any AP classes) as a high school freshman. AP classes really are tougher than regular classes. I have referred to AP European History as “the most difficult A- that I ever witnessed in my life”, but my daughter who took AP Euro years later assured me that organic chemistry in university was more difficult.

In terms of switching computer languages from JAVA to C++ both are useful. I have said that computer science is about computer languages in the same sense that being a lawyer is about speaking English. There is a lot more to programming a computer (such as algorithms and data structures, and how you structure your programs). However, it sounds like your daughter is way ahead in this also.

My daughter who took both calculus based physics and “regular” physics liked calculus based physics a lot better.

And both daughters did quite a bit of art, and ended up with a STEM major. This is fine. Music is also a very common skill among people who work in high tech. I spent my career working in high tech, and have on multiple occasions seen coworkers get up on stage and start playing music. Mostly this was unexpected on my part, and they were very good. One time my friend came over between sets, chatted with us, and gave us each a copy of his most recent CD. Then he went back on stage and played another set. I had known him as a software engineer.

Eventually however students have to pick where to put their efforts. There are only so many hours in the day. My older daughter has been neglecting her music for years to focus on academics. She has a friend who in high school needed to decide whether to continue to focus on figure skating and hope to get to the Olympics (the friend was that good), or to focus on academics. This particular friend like my daughter also decided to focus on academics, and both of them should be called “doctor” in a bit less than two years (but my daughter’s music and her friend’s skating have by necessity been neglected).

In terms of extracurricular activities, it sounds like your daughter is again doing very well, but she is doing a lot. Students should participate in the ECs that make sense for them. What I did, what my wife did, and what each daughter did, were four entirely different things. We each did what was right for us, and it worked out for us. This is my understanding of the advice from the “applying sideways” blog on the MIT admissions web site, which is worth reading (and quick Google search should get you there).

And sometimes the hard part is deciding what to NOT do.

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Totally agree. I dont think USAJMO is not in her future, at best doing well in AIME is what I think is realistic. But you never know, I can see IOI as a better possibility especially as she moves up in the ranks in coding
A couple of years back I cautioned her against having dream schools as it leads only to dissapointments. She is pretty used her ego getting punctured, competing in skating will do that for you. I keep telling her “You dont need to go to an ivy league school to do well in life” She has a living example in me
However she was so insistent that I told her the most sure fire way to get into MIT is to find cure for cancer. Her response - " If I’m good enough to find cure for cancer why do I need to go to MIT and for that matter any college" I got a big chuckle out of this. Still it is a very valid point, you can’t make getting into a top 20 college as a goal. Life is full of suprises and challenges, one has to enjoy the journey and overcome the disappintments


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Yup, I keep repeating this especially the randomness
she will be happy where ever she goes as long as there is learning and challenges to attack


Thus is so good, I will spend a lot more time in this thread. Thank you so much for pointing this out

Thanks for going out of your way to help me get a better insight. Congrats on your daughters accomplishment. After you wrote about the connection between music and tech it triggered some fond memories. I have a good friend a computer whiz kid, who was my roomate in college, he used to say his first love was MMM -Music, Machine and Mathematics as he called it. A genius with the keyboard too


At the insistence of my daughters coach I read Malcolm Gladwell’s Outliers. Enjoyed it a lot especially the chaper on about spending 10k hours to master a subject/ sport etc.The saying attributed to Thomas Edison - Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% prespiration comes out clearly in his case studies of succesful people.

Re AP The school schedule is very rigid a lot of core courses that cant be skipped. The schedule is such a student will have a very tough time taking more the 8 or 9 AP classes over 4 years. Very few options available the first 2 years.

Great to hear Art and STEM co exist peacefully in your household. The challenge you talk about choosing academics over other competing activities(skating and music in your case) is real. It is always a tradeoff. My philosophy has always been depth over breadth, but it cant be so narrow that you become a one trick pony. Breath of activities especially if it is shallow is not only a waste of money but more importantly a waste of the most precious commodity which you can never get back - time. I am sure she will have to give up some of her cherished activities to pick up new ones, that is the only way to grow as a person.

I really appreciate your insight. Thank you for the detailed response.

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Wow, that is impressive! I can chime in about AP CS A.

Yes, if she is ready for AP CS A, I would recommend taking it in 9th or 10th grade, before things get busier later in high school. Although it sounds like she is pretty busy now. That would also open up additional courses at the community college (similar to math) or more USACO focus.

Thank you, I never thought about community college option pertaining to CS. I will investigate that possibility. One other thought, does it make sense to gain work experience ( mostly unpaid) rather than taking more courses. There are a couple of software startups I know who will give her a part time position (6 to 8 hour weekly commitment) mainly to be their tester for product rollouts, thankless job, but she will gain a whole lot of real world experience in Fintech. This would be down the road as she makes progress in coding.

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