<p>Why do so many people think that Haas is prestigious? Business Admin is a nit-wit major that gets made fun of all the time at Cal…by science majors at least. How hard is it to get into Haas (and spend 2 years making power point presentations)? Answer: As hard as it is to get a 3.5 GPA while in Letters and Science and thus get admitted. Q#2= How hard is it to get 3.5 in humanities/social sciences + The ONE required statistics class for Haas admission? Answer: have 5 metabolizing brain cells.</p>
<p>haas is ranked number 2 in business after wharton</p>
<p>berkeley is competitive and curves are tough, a 3.5 might be harder than you think</p>
<p>i agree with the original poster on some points</p>
<p>about 50% of everybody who apples to haas junior year gets in</p>
<p>also, on average, L+S gives out twice as many more A’s than science/math classes. overall i don’t think the humanities requirements are difficult to get a 3.5+ in. in addition, its hard to “curve” humanities classes as they are less discrete in grading</p>
<p>also, i believe haas isnt ranked 2nd by most people who do rankings</p>
<p>Haas is ranked 3 by us news.</p>
<p>plus, for me, i’m going to be taking more than just humanities/social sciences…</p>
<p>The USNews rankings are 1 - Wharton, 2 - MIT Sloan, 3 - Berkeley Haas</p>
<p>I think those rankings are about right. Berkeley Haas is a strong school, but to say that it is #2 (and thus better than or equal to MIT-Sloan) is a pretty strong claim. </p>
<p>The prestige from Haas largely stems from the ‘extra’ admissions round that it runs in junior year. Yes, 50% of intra-Berkeley transfers get in (as opposed to about 20% of extra-Berkeley transfers, meaning mostly CC transfers). But that’s the catch - you gotta survive an extra admissions round. How would you like to spend your first 2 years at Berkeley not knowing whether you’ll be allowed to declare a major in what you want? Surely you must agree that the physics major, while already extremely stressful, would be even more stressful if hopeful physics students had to go through an extra admissions round in junior year to decide if they will be allowed to declare the major. </p>
<p>I would also point out that the 50% of intraBerkeley Haas applicants gets in obviously only has to do with applicants. The fact is, you will only apply to Haas if you think you have a reasonable chance of getting in. Only a fraction of people who want to go to Haas will actually apply. Plenty of people who want to go do not apply because they know that they have no realistic chance of getting in (because of bad grades or whatever) so they decide not to waste their time applying. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, I do agree with the original poster that pure science majors (and engineers) who are doing well (i.e. 3.5+) are probably better students than the average Haas student, and so they might look down on the average Haas student. But the fact is, there are plenty of science and engineering students who are not doing well. I knew plenty of science and engineering students (especially EE and ChemE students) whose GPA’s were 2.5 or lower, I knew several who found themselves on academic probation, and I knew some who were expelled entirely due to poor grades. I think that these students would have dearly loved to trade places with the Haas students.</p>
<p>i wouldnt say that a 2.5 is too bad. the median in math/science courses is a C+/B-, which turns out to be 2.5 on average. so 50% are higher than that and 50% are lower than that</p>
<p>Actually, I think you mean to say that the requirements are median C+/B-. Once you get to upper-division electives (not upper division required courses, but upper-division electives), the grade curve tends to become substantially easier. </p>
<p>I’ll put it to you this way. Many of those upper-division electives contain lots of graduate students. Graduate students need a 3.0 (B average) to keep from flunking out, as opposed to undergrads who only need a 2.0. You rarely hear of a graduate student flunking out because of bad grades, yet that’s precisely what you’d expect if the classes they took had a C+/B- median.</p>
<p>I believe that the external transfer rate to Haas is actually 8% but this is mostly due to the fact that many do not satisfy the minimum requirements for Haas that are very specific… so if you factor out those students it is around 20%</p>
<p>yeah, a lot of potential applicants are deterred after doing bad in classes like econ or math or something of the like since they know they will most probabily not get in…</p>
<p>What the hell is your problem abcde or whatever your name is. You have this hatred and condescending attitude towards non-science/engineering majors. In your other post you made fun of people that were majoring in psych and philosophy and now you are attacking Haas. You make it seem like berkeley is only good for engineering and science majors when that fact is FAR from the truth. Haas students ARE the creme of the crop of berkeley students and go on to get the best jobs in the San Francisco area. Not only that but they go on to the top MBA programs and make tons of money. Instead of sitting all day at a lab and looking at micro-organisms all day, they are actually out in the real world making a living for themselves. Yes science majors are also high berkeley students, but besides med-school what else can they do after they graduate. Unless you are going to be a professor, you can’t stay in a lab forever. Stop attacking majors when you obviously have no idea what your taking about!!</p>
<p>Business majors are the creme of the crop at Berkeley? Yeah, and i’m the chancellor. When I was a freshmen, alumni and upper-classmen used to give me advice on how to do well at Cal. The most common thing I was told was: “Take Haas classes, cause the classes are easy and the competition is stupid.” It proved true. Haas is about making its students happy with rampant grade inflation, cause apparently, that makes for happy (and donating) alumni. So don’t talk your Haas garbage to me, son, cause I don’t care how well you can make power-point presentations and analyze 2-bit-twit-twat supply and demand curves.</p>
<p>Look, I think we can all agree that business majors are not the cream of the crop at Berkeley. That distinction goes to the EECS majors, the chemical engineers, or maybe the physics majors. </p>
<p>On the other hand, Haas is not the worst either. Let’s face it, there are some truly do-nothing majors at Berkeley where you can truly get by without lifting a finger. I’m not going to name those majors, but anybody with a connection to Berkeley knows what they are.</p>
<p>When it comes to who makes the most money, who gets the top jobs, and who has the CONNECTIONS, haas students win hands down</p>
<p>I’m going to Cal next fall and I don’t know what these supposedly fluff majors are. Enlighten me please.</p>
<p>they’re not fluff majors</p>
<p>If middle-management or analyst is your definition of “top job,” and they are the result of “connections,” then I pity your world my friend. Sure, business majors have a high starting salary, but English majors doing the same thing catch up within 3 years. By the way, the starting salary for merchant sailors and long-haul truck drivers is 70,000 dollars. That’s as much or more than the starting salary for EECS majors. Hmmm, why don’t you become a truck driver then, if starting salary means so much to you. Learning to drive a semi-trailer is only slightly harder than getting a Hass degree. I’d rather spend much of my youth in a truck or boat than shuffle through papers and talk business with people all day.</p>
<p>First of all you were the one who put “middle management/analyst” job description on Haas alum. Secondly, yes maybe they START out with those jobs, but after a couple of years and/or recieving their MBA Haas students get the best jobs. Yeah I’m sure there is lots of room for advancement in a merchant fisherman’s job… You, a college student, should know that starting jobs hence only starting jobs. It is 5-10 years after graduation where most students of ANY major will be making the most money. And another thing the admittance rate for Haas mjaors is only 40-50 percent of BERKELEY students. According to you Berkeley is a top-notch university and to have applicants within the school compete for a spot at Haas is extremely competetive. And thats not all, you get soo many connections within the school. Since Berkeley is a huge research institution these connections are certainly much harder to obtain than at a small private school. But Haas, in a sense, is very similar to a smaller school and as part of the requirements you network with companies at business functions. How bout you go back to the lab and learn more about the biological makeup of a some unknown organism.</p>
<p>You Said: “First of all you were the one who put “middle management/analyst” job description on Haas alum.”</p>
<p>Reply: Yeah, i wrote that. Not denying it…so what’s your point?</p>
<p>You Said: “Secondly, yes maybe they START out with those jobs…” </p>
<p>Reply: Oh, so now you’re agreeing with me…nice</p>
<p>You Said: “but after a couple of years and/or recieving their MBA Haas students get the best jobs.”</p>
<p>Reply: Like…slightly-above-but-still-middle-management? Now that’s the BEST job in the world! sign me up, pleeeeeeeease. And no, most MBA programs limit the proportion of acceptees that hold BAs (BS???) in business. There are just as many engineers/ engineers-turned-businessmen in MBA programs as there are business admin majors. </p>
<p>You said: "Yeah I’m sure there is lots of room for advancement in a merchant fisherman’s job… You, a college student, should know that starting jobs hence only starting jobs. "</p>
<p>Reply : I didn’t say starting JOB, I said starting SALARY. Get the English straight, bub</p>
<p>You said: “It is 5-10 years after graduation where most students of ANY major will be making the most money.”</p>
<p>Reply: Wow. Cause I thought it was after exactly 11 years and 34 days, and only if it’s a full moon.</p>
<p>You said: " And another thing the admittance rate for Haas mjaors is only 40-50 percent of BERKELEY students. According to you Berkeley is a top-notch university and to have applicants within the school compete for a spot at Haas is extremely competetive."</p>
<p>Reply: Look at my other threads, i’ve been criticized for alienating half the student population at my own school as people who shouldn’t be here.</p>
<p>You said: “And thats not all…”</p>
<p>Reply: Go on, permission granted.</p>
<p>You said: “… you get soo many connections within the school. Since Berkeley is a huge research institution these connections are certainly much harder to obtain than at a small private school. But Haas, in a sense, is very similar to a smaller school and as part of the requirements you network with companies at business functions.”</p>
<p>Reply: you can get connections in Berkeley no matter what your field is. Hence the school is divided into individual colleges that are divided into individual departments. Did you know that the Geography department has a room filled with beer for social occasions, and that all the undergrads know all the grad students and profs, and they throw beach parties? Making connections out of school isn’t hard either…like a poli sci major working for a state senator. </p>
<p>You said: “How bout you go back to the lab and learn more about the biological makeup of a some unknown organism.”</p>
<p>Reply: I’m not a bio major. </p>
<p>Note to any reader: I realize that what I say sometimes appears as cocky and arrogant. It’s just an assertion of the present power structure and hegemonic forces that are at hand…so don’t hate. After a solid offensive point, there isn’t anything better than elucidating my enjoyment in punking opposing defenses, as I just did to this dude. If you can’t make sense, don’t argue with me. Sakky’s replies and criticisms, on the other hand, make perfect sense and causes me to think over my reasoning…and my initial reasoning often is a little fuzzy, i’m the first to admit. So I appreciate criticism, just make it make sense. Like Sakky’s …he’s one smart dude. I’m sick of replying to this clown, so someone else do it next time he responds.</p>
<p>and by the way, NO, anyone with a job makes the most money RIGHT BEFORE HE/SHE RETIRES…doesn’t that make perfect sense???</p>
<p>abcd, I hope you’re not saying that all humanities classes are easy, because that is just not true. Some are and some aren’t just like every other division of the university, but it just shows your arrogance and “my major is best” mentality when you talk crap about a whole department.</p>