<p>Now the the Giants have dispatched the Pats for the 2nd time in four years are Eli and Tom Hall of Fame bound?</p>
<p>In my opinion, Eli Manning is on the right track, but not definite. If we wins another superbowl and has more seasons like his this year, than yes, I would say he will likely be in the hall of fame. But it is a bit too early to tell.</p>
<p>I agree Eli is on the right track, but even though he has won two superbowls Hall of Fame voting is generally based on career stats (there are exceptions to that, but they are special casdes). I like Tom Coughlin personally, but I am not sure they will vote him in on winning the two Superbowls with the Giants (Parcells didn’t make it this time, for example). Keep in mind that through the 2007 season, other then the post season, Eli didn’t have great stats his first 4 years or so, he looked a lot more like Mark Sanchez then Drew Breeze…but playing the way he has been the last several years, he could get in there.</p>
<p>Locks? Not by a mile.</p>
<p>The number of rings have never been the sole determinant for HOF. If that were the case, having five of them should end the conversation but has Charles Haley could tell you … five Super Bowl rings ain’t enough. </p>
<p>If the contribution to coaching were important, Coryell and Bill Parcells should have been in a while ago. </p>
<p>Neither Manning nor Coughlin have the pedigree of achievement yet. The two SB do not erase how lackluster their body of work has been. Had the 12/11/11 game against the Cowboys ended as it should have, you’d be discussing the identity of the new coach of the Giants and Manning being a one season fluke. The Giants were mediocre in 2009 and 2010 and came close to repeat the same in 2011. </p>
<p>Dame Fortune made it different. Little else. Now, you can sip that KoolAid again.</p>
<p>Too bad they don’t give more attention to defenses. Going into the playoffs, the excitement was around the top three offensive teams (NE, GB, NO) with just-ok defenses. But they all lost to strong defense teams with just-ok offenses.</p>
<p>Charles Haley should be in the HOF.</p>
<p>I think Coughlin will get in. Of course Parcells should be already.</p>
<p>Eli is on track, has come into his own and will, barring injury, continue to cement his stature. Has tied and broken a lot of records already.</p>
<p>Dallas Cowboy fans are a source of never-ending amusement–it’s always what “shoulda been.” In 2008, they did indeed win the NFC east. Some wildcard team knocked them out; who was that again? I guess that shouldn’t’ve happened, either. </p>
<p>The outcomes reflect what is, not what shoulda been.</p>
<p>Jim Plunkett won 2 super bowls and was comeback player of the year.</p>
<p>Tom Flores coached 2 super bowl winners, also won rings as a back up QB and as an assistant coach. First hispanic NFL QB and first hispanic head coach.</p>
<p>Ray Guy redefined the position of punter.</p>
<p>If these guys aren’t in the hall then Eli and Tom C. aren’t locks at all (of couse playing in NY gives them a huge boost).</p>
<p>Jim Plunkett is the only QB with 2 super bowl wins that isn’t in the HOF (that is eligible). That is 1 out of 5 though. Super bowl rings are obviously not the defining characteristic that gets you in the Hall, but it surely helps.</p>
<p>I don’t think Eli a lock yet, but he will get there with a few more 4000+ yard passing seasons. Don’t think Roethlisberger is a lock yet either, though he also has 2 super bowl rings.</p>
<p>Not as familiar wit how things work on the coach’s side.</p>
<p>"Dallas Cowboy fans are a source of never-ending amusement–it’s always what “shoulda been”</p>
<p>Well, that is better than being a source of irritation. Or perhaps I missed the mark. While you have a point about the shoulda been, you have to admit that the difference between a caught pass and a dropped can be a matter of inches. A blocked field goal? A missed call? Coming back from a 12 points deficit in Dallas was a huge turnaround for NY. How was the local press in NYC before that game.? How close got Caughlin to be sent packing?</p>
<p>It is what it is.</p>
<p>I hadn’t even heard of any of the guys that made it into the Hall of Fame this year. (I am a football fan, spent my formative years cheering for Raiders and by birth, I am a Redskin fan).</p>
<p>If Couglin gets in – and its far from a lock – he would join his two backfield mates, Floyd Little and Larry Csonka, in the Hall of Fame. This would be the first time three running backs from the same college team (playing at the same time) were inducted into the HOF. This is the sort of thing that consoles Syracuse Orange football fans after a decade of irrelevance.</p>
<p>This was arguably the best year of Eli’s career, yet there were 6 QBs this year that had better QB ratings, and at least 8 that had better TD/Int ratios.</p>
<p>He’s never had a year with a QB rating of over 100, his career passer rating of 82 is not even close to the top (he is 41st), although his last four years have been much better than his first 4 years. I don’t think he’s ever sniffed around an MVP.</p>
<p>He’s a good quarterback, and is getting better with age, but if his career ended today, I don’t think he would make it in.He’s got 5 more years to make his case.</p>
<p>I don’t think Eli is there yet either…
but if he wins another Super Bowl and plays well…</p>
<p>There are some quarterbacks that are stat junkies…they feed on crummy teams …
You throw for 5 tds against some doormat …do that a couple of times…and your stats look good…</p>
<p>I kind of like the way Eli plays against top teams…</p>
<p>In the Super Bowl…Tom Brady…who is one of the greatest quarterbacks ever…didn’t look like he was one of the greatest… He missed a lot of passes…</p>
<p>It is amazing what pressure can do…</p>
<p>i was in a league in a different sport…and I saw somebody dominate the league until the race was decided…then the guy who dominated had a let down…and another person…who didn’t do squat when the race was close… Came on and ended up with
better stats…than the guy who dominated when things were close…</p>
<p>But the real MVP…was the dominater…</p>
<p>One thing about Eli…he is making a big difference on the field in the big games…</p>
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On the other hand… if you can’t feast on the crummy teams, how good are you?</p>
<p>The Giants lost twice to the 5-11 Redskins. Sure Eli gets “up” for the big games… but if you don’t get up for the not-so-big games, you tend not to make the playoffs, as the Giants didn’t in 2009 and 2010.</p>
<p>What everyone said.</p>
<p>TC and EM have had great careers that anyone would be happy to have.</p>
<p>And, as a former NYer, I’m thrilled.</p>
<p>But locks for the HoF? No.</p>
<p>2 Super Bowl wins is pretty good…if you are going to win Super Bowls…you can miss a playoff or two…</p>
<p>You don’t need to throw 5 touchdown passes against the patsies to win…</p>
<p>Eli is not a HOF quarterback…and he may never get there…</p>
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<p>Yes, but wasn’t it the NYG defense that won the Super Bowl?</p>
<p>The NE offense was a point scoring machine (>30) against most teams, but its performance against good defenses was much less impressive: 17 vs PIT, 20 vs NYG, 27 vs MIA, 23 vs BAL, 17 vs NYG.</p>
<p>I thing we would all agree that Brady and Belichick are Hall of fame bound and yet Eli and Tom have beat them twice in the Superbowl, once when the Pats were 18-0, probably the greatest upset in football history. As far as the NYG defense, in the first Superbowl, they gave up a long scoring drive right before Eli took the Giants on a winning drive. In this Superbowl, Welker was wide open on a blown coverage and dropped the pass. They are a good defense and desere credit, but Eli drove the Giants to two Superbowl wins on last minute drives. If he continues to play this way, even without great stats he should be voted in.</p>
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Denver at the time had one of the highest-rated defenses in terms of points allowed, then the Patriots blew them up for 41 and 45 points. The Patriots games against Miami were the two highest scores Miami gave up all year. Ravens gave up an average of 16 points a game, Patriots were a touchdown better.</p>
<p>So it’s not completely fair to say they aren’t good against good defenses.</p>
<p>The Giants’ defense gave up 60 more points during the regular season than the Pats’ defense. What does that tell you?</p>
<p>Some teams are just kryptonite to other teams. For years, for the Pats it was Miami. Now it seems to be the Giants.</p>