Hamas wins

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<p>Democracy on the march. The conservatives win democratic elections in Iran. Hamas wins in Palestine. Ayatollah Sistani will control the new gov’t in Iraq. The outlawed religious folks win a huge number of seats in Egypt.</p>

<p>The Saudis and Kuwaitis can’t wait to hold “free, democratic” elections soon enough. </p>

<p>We elect “conservative nationalists” with strong religious views here - why are we surprised when other nations do the same? </p>

<p>What about Clinton?</p>

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<p>You mean the USA Evangelical Mullahs? I have been laughing about this myself all morning. Now how to divide and redirect??</p>

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<p>I know, what right do we have to gripe. To the world, we look like invaders.</p>

<p>Its a good thing we have so much respect in the middle east right now, and go, well, we ain’t gonna even talk to them</p>

<p>Now, Nixon wasn’t my fave person, but at least he spoke to the Chinese</p>

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<p>We can gripe all we desire. It is our credibility that is in the gutter. We seem to think we have the market corner on intelligence=NOT.</p>

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<p>World War 3 is going to be so exciting. We get to fight the same war our ancestors did over 1,000 years ago.</p>

<p>My loving god is better than your loving god. Now in the name of my loving god…DIE, you scum. But first, I have this wonderful iPOD I would like to sell you.</p>

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<p>So how did USA let this happen? I mean usually we modify the elections so this doesn’t happen? I guess we are now saying publicy that Palestine doesn’t matter?</p>

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<p>Based on past performance, our intelligence agencies are so inept in the Middle East that they probably don’t even know where the polling places are, let alone how to go about rigging an election.</p>

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<p>Right but they know who you and I are talking to and what we are Googling right? I love you comments.</p>

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<p>Don’t know much about geography and I’m no historian, but I thought this one was an old fashioned “land” war.
Fighting over god, you say? At least we’re all clear on what is <em>really</em> going on, that’s gonna help.
They could share just share god, maybe alternating visitation–like modern marriage; not sure if they could share the bathroom, though. Different toiletries and ablutions.</p>

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<p>I enjoy turning to Samuel P. Huntington whenever “new” issues come up. </p>

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<p><a href=“http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm?outfit=pmt&requesttimeout=500&folder=49&paper=224[/url]”>http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm?outfit=pmt&requesttimeout=500&folder=49&paper=224&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19930601faessay5188/samuel-p-huntington/the-clash-of-civilizations.html[/url]”>http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19930601faessay5188/samuel-p-huntington/the-clash-of-civilizations.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>If they wanted to rig the election, this might be just what they wanted</p>

<p>Creates even more excuse to go in there and fight some more</p>

<p>Rice looked a bit smirkish this morning, a little to pleased with the results, if you watched her</p>

<p>But then, I am a paranoid liberal who thinks that this administration is enjoying their war and wants some more</p>

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<p>Citygirlsmom,</p>

<p>How long did it take you to blame America for this one? Is every non-American in this world a cardboard cut-out, in your world: The Palestinians did not actually elect Hamas because they wanted to, but because we tricked them? It seems, you have a very low opinion of non-Americans. Ethno-centric, I’d say.</p>

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Mini- you crack me up! Thanks for my smile of the day!</p>

<p>Seriously, I think Hamas won because they ran as the reform party and Palestinians are sick of corruption and the state of Palestine today. Where were the schools, the jobs, the infrastructure? Not coming from Fatah. I think they were voting for a change from what they have now - any change.</p>

<p>If Hamas is smart (not a given), they would take the opportunity to put Palestine on an upward path, eliminate corruption to the extent they can in a society of guns, and deliver some real progress to the Palestinian people, changing the culture from one of victimization to one of success. I don’t think it would happen, but if it did, are we ready for a more prosperous Palestine that we cannot demonize?</p>

<p>Well, we probably don’t have to worry about that. It’s too much of an explosive atmosphere there and too many people running aroung with lighted matches.</p>

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<p>Is that the first cousin to ** Running with scissors??**</p>

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<p>They share Abraham…that is pretty big.</p>

<p>It is a religious fight, not just land, because the land itself is “religious”- its not like the hatfields and the mccoys - the identity of people are tied to the land, the leaders use religion to state their cases, the people fight because of religion, even though, really, they are pretty much the same</p>

<p>It like saying the Irish Conflicts were over land, it is much more complicated than that. Or the Crusdades were just really just a “spreading” of religion, and not a land grab as well</p>

<p>In the Middle East, land, religion, power, are all intertwined, we need to learn that they cannot be seperated in working with the leaders there</p>

<p>If we don’t know the past, well, the future is totally dark, without a glimmer of what could be</p>

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<p>Christianity is self to God and Muslim is more tied to society I do believe.</p>

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<p>To a degree Christianity is self to God, but in practice, here in America and throughout history, it is often to the land and to its riches that are a side benefit</p>

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<p>Him who has rules…a power issue huh? Use of religion to control the masses? And you wonder why some are skeptical?</p>

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<p>I believe I’ll need a translator for posts #16-17. Not a clue…maybe too many words, I don’t know:)</p>

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<p>How the religion and rules thereof work within the cultures. Does that help you out? The bonding of a person to the culture through rules and accepted moral practices.</p>