<p>@shrink- You’re right, I’m a third year in college. </p>
<p>My opinion is this: if you, as a parent, have the resources then you should at least cover your child’s tuition at the local public college. I do believe that students should take some/all of their available Stafford loans so that they get some skin in the game, or they need to get a job/scholarships to cover those loans. I also believe that it’s important for students to start working when they’re 16/17 and start saving up for college. I truly don’t understand how you can get to college without ever having a job (and that’s just because of where I grew up and the friends that I had). No parent is obligated to pay for their child to go to some fancy private school. YOU as a student have an obligation to work as hard as you can in high school to snag some great merit scholarships or to go to a college on your parent’s budget. I understand that you might not get to go to your “dream” private school but no student has a right to go to those types of schools. I also really don’t think you’re doing your child any favors by paying full freight without any contribution from the student- even if you can afford it.</p>
<p>Now, nothing irritates me more than parents who choose cars and vacations over their child’s education. I understand that a college student is an adult, but it is still you that brought them into this world and I don’t believe that responsibility stops at 18 provided that your student holds up their end of the bargain (good grades, not blowing money on stupid things, getting a job, getting scholarships, etc). The parents have a responsibility to save for that child’s education if they can- again, by skipping going out, vacations, nicer cars and houses, etc. </p>
<p>My parents pay nothing for my college (they DO cover my car and health insurance and I am very thankful for that since I know it’s often a stretch for them), and that’s ok with me because they really don’t have the resources to. I was lucky to get nice aid from a local public U and some very nice outside scholarships that reduced my loans substantially. I also have two to three jobs at any given point (I usually work 7 days a week, but I am now down to 6 since I got a new job with the state) for my car, housing, etc.</p>
<p>OK
MomofWild I will try again, since you are not the one said to me before “we have no time” “don’t post if you can’t write right”
that was menlo, or thumper, I think, or was it you? if so, sorry.</p>
<p>OP-Amazing Grace is wondering her D making less than what she could have earn- by teaching, which she is happy doing, is good thing?
Op came back and did post, that is what I wrote reply for, but by then, there were many other posts ahead of me.
What I said in there was,</p>
<p>I was new to the whole thing and quite excited how my kid’s pre-school teacher (and student teacher, all from Bankstreet training, which you might never heard of but quite respected here) can run around get dirty and really get down with kids.
They are young, fit, so full of love. I admired them.
now, 15-sh years later, if they’d decided to do something else: write, research, go corporate, whatever, their experience would help them understand many things if they haven’t taught those bunch of 4 year old and dealt with us awful parents. I believe they were happy, and gaining skills that could applied to many other stuff while having fun.
^ is that OK? or what part you don’t get it?
honestly I need to learn. I want to know. please?</p>
<p>romani kid
this is what my kid wrote recently.
I will do anything so he can stay in school, but you are right, he might not have said this if he haven’t done some manual labor himself.
Some rich kids are quite nice, thou, they feel bad being rich. It’s the parents we have to be careful with.</p>
<p>–I can’t impress anyone with the big price of this education (because it’s a rip-off) but I can satisfy myself with the many experiences that price (rip-off) has funded. Thanks for paying mom, because you also paid for everything that makes me happy here.</p>
<p>I will have to respectfully disagree. In my mid 50’s and know many of my generation who grew up really privileged who don’t care a bit about the bells and whistles and went into service professions. They already had the bells and whistles and don’t find them that interesting, attractive or fulfilling. If they hadn’t had them, they might have seemed more worth pursuing.</p>
<p>proudmomofS wrote:
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<p>And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.</p>
<p>Goodwill: Almost everyone I know, in any age group or income bracket, thinks it is extremely cool to shop goodwill if they have the time.</p>
<p>@alh…lol…another quote from outside the commandments–in my house there are the commandments, and the rest are just suggestions. Given I’ve found plenty of bible quotes I love and others I reject (like that daughter and slavery thing for one) I take most of them all with Lott’s proverbial pillar of salt. ;-)</p>
<p>Let’s make this about CC again…it’s likely easier to for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for an unhooked applicant to enter into the kingdom of HYPSM, but that doesn’t keep thousands upon thousands of applicants from trying either. ;-)</p>
<p>well I’m not Jewish (maybe you are?) and not really Christian anymore but find myself increasingly disturbed by the so-called Christian prosperity gospel - but of course that is way off topic :)</p>
<p>Count me in as another parent who puts a priority on education, and will sacrifice to provide it for my kids. Ultimately their happiness is my happiness (i.e. if they are happy, I am happy). This reminds me of a past thread that asked how we would feel if our kids married someone with a boatload of debt. Personally I would not like that, especially if their parents took luxury vacations and left their kid to pay their own way through school, or if the student took on extraordinary debt without a realistic career plan that could repay that debt. IMO, happiness and financial stability come hand in hand.</p>
<p>I went through the “I’m better than everyone else because I don’t have a TV” stage in my 20s. I got over it. I love TV. Big screens in several rooms. I’m a sell out.
It isn’t really a stage- I can’t stand the noise, my kids are the same way. Oldest & her BF were given a check to buy a tv for their new house from BFs parents. They bought an outdoor grill instead. ( It is a pretty nice grill) ;)</p>
<p>Not Jewish. Lapsed Protestant from childhood. </p>
<p>But equally disturbed with the prosperity angle of some religious shysters. I find it criminal. But I obviously dont accept the concept of poverty=nobility either.</p>
<p>And in this day and age many people stream television and videos through xbox or to their computer, so they can claim they don’t have a free-standing television when in fact they are able to watch tv on their pc.</p>
<p>I think EK is talking about people with TV on always, in every rooms, watch it because it’s there, not the ones who pick and chose plan and stream for something out of of interests
I know people who give money or check so young ones can have TV (they say it so clearly, not “use for what you like or need” ) and/or give biiiggg TV itself.</p>
<p>as for xbox or wii, if, of all people you approve them wile kids are in the house, jym, I might get a little bit upset.</p>
<p>I think EK can explain to us what she means, without us dissecting and probably misinterpreting. </p>
<p>I have no clue what your comment meant about wii or xbox. All I said, and I repeat, is that some people stream tv through their pc’s or through an xbox tuner, so do not need a freestanding tv in their house. Some people may claim they have no tv’s when in fact they do watch tv, just through a different medium. Please do not disssect or twist my words as that is not what I said and you seem to be misunderstanding and misconstruing. Leave it at that.</p>
<p>“I agree with EK. because…”
never
“what I think EK is saying…”
because you are not saying EK or someone else being not having TV does not mean s/he does not watch it, even your post seemed connected to what s/he had said.
you never intended on that calling “have no TV but watch TV” people cheaters or liars.
see, I am learning. I’ll try not to read too much into any underlying message because when I think there is, there is none. when I think there isn’t, there sure is. But then people usually tell me so.</p>
<p>EK-
I took your post to mean that you went through a time in the past when you did not have a TV in your house, but now you have several big screen tvs. I also take your post to say that you do not particularly like the noise. I did not read it to mean you have them turned on in empty rooms, and since you said you do not like noise, I do not read your post to say you have them on just to generate background noise or such, nor do I take your post to in any way reference other people who might choose to do that. Do I misunderstand?</p>
<p><strong>edit</strong> for the record, I do think there may be some people who are disengenuous-- who claim that they currently “don’t have a tv in the house” when in fact they have access to, and watch tv broadcasts, on their pcs or ipads. It is a subtle choice of words that makes a person sound like they don’t watch tv when they do. Frankly I don’t give a hoot if someone does or doesn’t watch tv. I do find it distasteful if someone is mincing words to imply something that may not be true, or to present themselves one way when it is not accurate. I am NOT saying that anyone here is specifically doing that. All I am saying is that some people do that and it is disengenuous.</p>
<p>oh no
now I was right? our posts got crossed.
you DID mean to say some people are liars?</p>
<p>I am confused but this is what I know for sure, EK is referring to Momofwild’s post, she is the one said having TVs and her “stage”, not EK, and that’s why it is in Italics.
we should all learn how to make gray quote box.
or
always read the whole thread.</p>
<p>I was just trying to point out- to whomever asked the question- how fewer things could translate to " better values". I was equating more independent play as a good thing, i.e. a value of our family & so I used the example of when we didn’t have television for a short period when the kids were small.</p>
<p>Since my H was raised in a family which seemed to have the television & the radio going all over the house, he has learned to tune it out, & he likes the background noise. If we had tvs in all our rooms I don’t doubt H would have them on, which would drive me insane because I can’t tune the noise out. In the sake of peace in our family, we have an old television without cable & either rent dvds or stream what we want to see instead of having it on all the time. </p>
<p>H has the radio on constantly in his man cave, while he is working/reading, I now have the habit of turning it off when I come in to talk to him, because with it on, I am so distracted I can’t even think. My experience is just my experience, I am not saying that it should work for everyone.</p>
<p>To get back to the OP, if she has a job which is in her field & she likes it, then she is probably ahead of many recent graduates. A degree in psych/early childhood ed, is not going to put her on the fast track for salary anywhere, but she is young & can use this job to get experience & investigate other areas which she might pursue if she doesn’t want to get stuck. Early childhood is notorious for low wages & while a grad degree in psych could lead to other positions- that would need more schooling, although I suspect she is going to have to do that to earn more anyway.</p>
<p>Music is a very hard field to make a living- so many very talented people just scraping by. I know a lot of people who have day jobs but still keep a band going. One acquaintance for example, has three different bands that he plays a few gigs with ( each) every year. His life revolves around music ( no kids- but he has a long time GF) even though it has nothing to do with his day job. ( he was fortunate to have parents who encouraged him by providing rehearsal space for him & his friends to play when they were young & now one of those friends not only plays guitar in a world famous rock band * who just celebrated their 20th anniv* , but is writing music for television & movies in his " free" time)</p>
<p>gosh
EK
have you read her comics about childhood, demons, cooked bologna sandwiches?
she was pursued by Matt Groening, dated Ira Glass and now on NYT.
she is smart, happy and beautiful to people who can see it.</p>
<p>In my career, I’ve made lots of money and I’ve made very little. I prefer making lots and I have every intention of doing that again. My D has lived through the lots and the little and she never took the lots for granted and never complains about the little now. The only thing she ever mentions that she misses is the travel.</p>
, but is writing music for television & movies in his " free" time)</p>