<h1>516…and there you have it folks.</h1>
<p>xiggi, I still think OJ did it despite him being acquitted. So should we all just assume the court was right and that OJ was really innocent all along? The proverbial knife does not cut both ways in both cases.</p>
<p>GAMom Do you support discrimination or support only the types of discrimination that benefits you and your family?</p>
<p>Ooh, was their a single gun man on the grassy knowl?</p>
<p>Yikes sp</p>
<p>Seems you just answered the question. Discrimination is fine if it benefits you and your family. For me it’s not fine even if it means fighting discrimination has a negative impact on me.</p>
<p>@voiceofreason66. @Mavant. </p>
<p>Let’s say somebody appointed you to be in charge of Harvards admissions. What would look “right” to you?</p>
<p>How would you evaluate candidates, and why?</p>
<p>Regarding BSing about racial preferences and URM status, I am not sure why my posts are confusing. Although I do not think it was (or is) relevant to describe my own racial “composition.” and because it has raised some question, let me share that I am not too different from Silverturtle with an ancestry that goes back many hundred years to the heart of Europe on one side and an equally lengthy time South of the US Border. I am at home in the whitest of surroundings as well as in the more colorful of half my family. Regardless of my racial composition, I was not raised in a low SES family emvironment – actually quite far from it. Yet, I am deeply familiar with the impact of economic, social, and racial differences. </p>
<p>As far as selecting the small boxes on an application, the expectation is to be honest and describe the composition of the family accurately. If I remember correctly, the questions were pretty straightforward. </p>
<p>"URMs do not have a culture of using education as a springboard while ORMs and others do. That leads to a situation where you must use quotas. "</p>
<p>I love how you’re so incensed by the idea that people would treat Asians, in all their diversity of interests, talents, aptitudes, etc. as One Big Monolithic Group and yet you’ll treat URMs as One Big Monolithic Group in the above statement. </p>
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<p>What is all that non-sense about? Ignorant? Seriously! </p>
<p>I am white FWIW; my daughter is not. I KNOW discrimination when I see it. I never had any growing up white in an upper middle class family in socal, yet I know it when I see it.</p>
<p>poetgrl It is not about what looks right. It’s about what is right and fair. Discrimination on the basis of race is wrong. Giving and using race as a defining factor is wrong. Using race to break ties, I have no problem with doing. In the case of Harvard applicants, I would see very little difference with a Black student with a 2100 and an Asian student with a 2150 assuming other factors are similar. Here ties goes to the Black student.</p>
<p>However, I do see a difference if a Black student has a 2100 and an Asian student has a 2300 and if all other factors are similar, I would select the Asian student. If I was required to do the “holistic” approach.</p>
<p>However, if I was in charge of Harvard admissions, I would select all candidates who meet are “no brainers” and then the remaing students who qualify by whatever minimum threshold of what Harvard looks for and throw all of the names in a big lottery bowl and start picking one name after another until the class was filled. </p>
<p>You have 35,000 applications and you can accept around 1700.</p>
<p>what is your selection criteria? Go</p>
<p>Start by defining “no brainers.” What does that look like to you?</p>
<p>And you think the Asian with the 2300 is soooo much smarter than the black student because?</p>
<p>Xiggi, User claims he was quoting you when he said that. And, yes, it is an ignorant overgeneralization. In EVERY culture, there are those who see education as vital and push their kids to do their best (just ask my 5 black kids how much I nag them re: their performance in school), and those who do not. </p>
<p>And I don’t care if it is the white applicant with a 2300 vs a white applicant with a 2100. Are you saying the 2300 applicant should get the fat envelope every time?? Great…apply elsewhere.</p>
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<p>The basic problem you are facing is also simple: all other factors are NEVER similar. Never ever! </p>
<p>poetgrl I’m not going to it takes too long.</p>
<p>GAMom Never said that but since applicants are expecting fair treatment it is very difficult at least for me to select a lower stat student over a higher stat student solely because she is Black. Flip you question around on why you should deny the higher scoring Asian.</p>
<p>xiggi Agreed, but since this was an hypothetical indulge me.</p>
<p>Hey Pizzagirl, I merely repeated what Xiggi said because I thought he knew what he was talking about. Others have pointed about that he didn’t so I already withdrew my statement. Why are you picking a fight with me?</p>
<p>really, what is a no brainer to you VOR?</p>
<p>Because Harvard has a lot of 2300s and not all of them add all that much to the mix. That might not be the case at a lot of places, but at H, Y, P, and all the other top universities, let’s put the cut off at top 25… the kids come in with something else, as well. </p>