<p>Dstark is funny.</p>
<p>Hey Zek, I didn’t say that URMs don’t have a culture of using education as a springboard, Xiggi did and since he is an URM I trusted him. If you disagree please talk to Xiggi. I personally think Xiggi has been most rational on this thread. He gets it. If Asian cap goes away URM enrollment will drop and the goals of AA will be harmed which is why Xiggi believes in the Asian cap. I wish others here showed such clarity of thought.</p>
<p>This thread…</p>
<p>This has been a fascinating discussion/debate.</p>
<p>I hope all of you realize that this case will never survive a motion for summary judgement. The named plaintiff has no standing to bring the case. Unless they amend the complaint to add an Asain plaintiff who has been rejected, there is no one with standing to bring the case. While interesting reading (although poorly drafted) the complaint is a wasted filing without a dfferent plaintiff.</p>
<p>Xiggi is not a URM</p>
<p>No I don’t believe he is, sally. </p>
<p>Dstark I don’t know much about Harvard CS but I can ask my wife.</p>
<p>Zekesima, I am a California resident. I use Berkeley as the litmus test because many of the schools on your list still practice AA in some form. Within the UC system, traditionally, the two flagship schools highly sought after by Asians have been Berkeley and UCLA. When race played a role in admissions, Asians were routinely denied in high numbers that they ended up in their 3rd ,4th or 5th choice UC, namely Irvine, UCSD and Davis. From that point, there was a trickle down effect in which the mid-quality Asians could not get into Irvine, UCSD and Davis and were displaced by the top-scoring Asians denied by Berkeley and UCLA. These mid-quality Asians ended up at Cal State or community colleges. </p>
<p>With the elimination of race-based admission practices, the top-quality Asians started getting into Berkeley and UCLA. The mid-quality Asians who used to end up at community colleges started gaining acceptances to Irvine, UCSD and Davis. Hence, you see large populations of Asians at Berkeley, UCLA, Irvine, UCSD and Davis. </p>
<p>Oh ok I stand corrected then. Xiggi was speaking so confidently about URMs and their culture that he fooled me. That’s the beauty of the Internet. If you say something firmly and can have a group back you up anything you say becomes the truth hahahga</p>
<p>Ok I then retract my statement about URMs and educational springboards as Xiggi likely was just BS’ing.</p>
<p>I find it funny though that no one steps up to protest racial stereotyping when it comes to Asians.</p>
<p>Glennu If the named plaintiff is not sufficient, the court will allow the actual student to be name if you really believe that standing is going to result in summary judgment.</p>
<p>User not no one. And as you get to know xiggi more you’ll start pulling your hair if you have any left from this thread. He loves word play.</p>
<p>@User51969 You should contact the moderators and have that information about where your wife works taken out of your post. It’s easy to identify who is working in that lab. Seriously, it’s not smart to put that much information on this or any message board. </p>
<p>user, is it unconcievable that a non URM can make xiggi’s posts? </p>
<p>I meant other than Asians and those with Asian relatives, VoR. It’s rather sad actually to see that racism is alive and well in the USA. I have had the benefit of working in a bubble without any racism and sexism and it’s just plain ugly to witness how poorly so many people think of an ethnic group and are not afraid to repeat it ad vomitum. I will take an extra shower today lol</p>
<p>Idk but I like Xiggi so far. The dude is smart and yeah he spins but so what life is all spinning and selling. Thing is, he spins well. And he states things in a way that you can’t pin anything in him. He may make a good lawyer if he is not one already. To put it adorably yeah he is a spinner but he is my kind of spinner.</p>
<p>But, User, that’s exactly what you did when you repeated something you thought Xiggi said; something that was ignorant and a gross overgeneralization of a huge group of people (nearly 30% of the US–blacks, Hispanics, native Ams).</p>
<p>User51969, I was just wondering. You don 't have to bug your wife. </p>
<p>A relative got into Harvard but turned it down because the cs department wasn’t very good . However this was several years ago. Harvard said they were going to ramp up that department. </p>
<p>I read that 15 percent of incoming students wanted to study engineering and computer science. That is surprising to me but I am ignorant. </p>
<p><a href=“College admits 2,029 – Harvard Gazette”>http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2013/03/college-admits-2029-5-8-percent-of-applicants/</a></p>
<p>A friend’s son was turned down at Harvard and he had the top score on the SAT. He got into all the other places he applied.</p>
<p>He is jewish. I hope the jewish quota isn’t coming back. Actually, what do I care? My kids are grown. :)</p>
<p>Dstark I don’t know much about CS but I would guess MIT would be a better place may be? I can tell you only one thing with certainty, the baddest boldest math and physics kids go to Caltech and duke it out! They pss blood in the process and totally enjoy it too. Yeah, baby!</p>
<p>User the data speaks for itself, but it is hard to get people to see the significance of the data because of pre-existing beliefs. Take Washington and Lee for example.</p>
<p>Here is a school that admits 35% of its White applicants and less than 10% of URMs including Asians. It has about an even 3-4% distribution of URMs but noone seems to see a problem with the distribution and admission rates. To top it off, Asians are only 4% of the enrollment but over 10% of their highest scholarship winners. But Asian acceptance rate is just a tick better than Blacks and Hispanics. This is a school of over 85% Whites.</p>
<p>The parents and students of W&L seem to deny the strangeness of the data by claiming one doesn’t know the ECs or essays or any number of unknown factors. Their underlying belief is that W&L doesn’t discriminate therefore the data is meaningless.</p>
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<p>Hedging your bets, Mavant, even before there is a determination made? Fwiw, I happy to accept the outcome of the lawsuit and redirect my opinion based on the findings. As I wrote much earlier, I believe in data and the fullest of disclosure and transparency on the part of the schools. I believe to have a long history here to complain about the smoke and mirrors and the lack of transparency in admissions. If the findings demonstrate that Harvard did not pass the smell test in terms of legal admissions, I would hope they are redressed. </p>
<p>However, the knife should cut both ways, and the dismissal of the case, if it happens, should yield a comparable acceptance that the system of admissions used by Harvard does not violate laws and does NOT amount to discrimination. It should not be a game of trying various allegations until one ultimately finds a sympathetic jury or court. </p>
<p>Yeah ok Zek I have withdrawn my repeat of Xiggi’s statement so please go fight with him. I am a lover not a fighter.</p>
<p>@dstark, did you hear about Harvard’s latest windfall to help improve their CS department?</p>
<p><a href=“Steve Ballmer Funds Harvard CS Expansion”>i-programmer.info;
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