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<p>But I already know what I think, and I know what I think you think. But, I was just trying to see if you had some other insights. </p>
<p>If you want to pass, I’m fine with that.</p>
<p>Zekesima, what does that student consider “tippy top?” Can you provide? I’m Asian and I don’t consider a 2350 as tippy top as thousands score that or better. So what that student may modestly claim as not being tippy top…may actually be a great score.</p>
<p>Yeah you may like that Poetgrl but I would like to hear from some middle and upper class URMs and non-Jewish Whites how they would like that. I suspect Asians and Jews won’t mind it that much.</p>
<p>I would also wonder how this will impact financial aid at Harvard as well as graduation rates. I am quite certain the incoming educational disparity will be massive under my situation. Either that means more kids get full tuition for a year and then drop out, or the number of remedial classes skyrocket, or the class quality drops. All of this will badly hurt Harvard.</p>
<p>I guess I wonder how Harvard will like this. Lol</p>
<p>But, I wonder, how do you field a world class symphony? Who is in the plays? Who runs the government? Who is on the debate teams? Who is doing research? Who is the next philosopher to lead us out of the mess? Who is studying Econ and English and who is doing arabic? How will you beat Yale at rowing, at ice hockey? Just wondering how this works itself out.</p>
<p>Ding ding…we have a winner in post 561. 2350 does NOT make a tippy top student…many other factors do. </p>
<p>GAMom you misunderstood the tippy top comment.</p>
<p>Mavant–maybe gourmetmom can answer this question more definitively (her kid’s roommate). But, for the sake of argument, does an Asian with, say, a 2180 getting in over another Asian with a 2340 bother you?</p>
<p>“If Harvard, all of a sudden, wanted lots of farmers from Montana…you might see lots of Asians in Montana farming. Let the process be transparent so that Asians aren’t always shooting blindly at a moving target.”</p>
<p>THIS IS THE CULTURAL PIECE YOU’RE MISSING.
Harvard doesn’t WANT to “announce” certain things to you and have you twist yourself into a pretzel to meet them regardless of whether they are your personal strengths, talents, aptitudes, etc. They are looking for people who are ORIGINAL. Who are the best at what they, themselves are, can be, bring to the table. Not just those who are the Very Bestest in filling in boxes and presenting them for approval. </p>
<p>You don’t see how pathetic it would be to all of a sudden move to Montana and take up farming just because you want to go to Harvard? Why do you think that syncophantic, I’ll-do-anything-for-you attitude is anything Harvard should smile at? If anything, they scoff at it. </p>
<p>User51969, how do you know Harvard isn’t doing something similar to your post #550? </p>
<p>Maybe Harvard’s approach is a tweak of your post but better? </p>
<p>Well, at this point H is accepting 19% pell kids. I think that’s closer to what you are talking about than you think.</p>
<p>No I didn’t VOR, just was being tongue in cheek. Maybe you STEM majors don’t catch that.</p>
<p>Siri thought it was witty. </p>
<p>GAMom Couldn’t tell from your prior posts that you knew what being tongue in cheek was. You seem to think that discrimination is a only suffered by Blacks and not by other races. Harvard is in this lawsuit because it is alleged to be discriminating against Asians in its admission practices, not because it is discriminating against Blacks.</p>
<p>Apparently you can see discrimination against Blacks but not against Asians.</p>
<p>Couldn’t tell if you, VOR, even knew what tongue and cheek was.</p>
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<p>That kind of thinking is so linear. :)</p>
<p>I wouldn’t take these linear thinkers if I was an adcom. 
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<p>I have a friend who runs a pretty good grad department. She wants creative thinkers. People that are curious. </p>
<p>She will take a curious 3.5 gpa student over a 4.0 gpa student anyday. </p>
<p>Edit…Passion is important too.</p>
<p>Thank you poetgrl.</p>
<p>Dstark, Well I do know that Harvard considers race for ORMs. That’s just wrong. I also know that middle to high SES URMs get an URM benefit, which to me is just plain wrong, as it hurts the URMs that most need help. Finally, others may disagree but I am convinced of an Asian cap, which is plain illegal. My system won’t have an Asian cap. So I like mine better. </p>
<p>As for world class symphony well Harvard doesn’t have one anyway, and as for the rest of the things Poetgrl mentions, you can’t have everything. Life is one about choices and Harvard has to make the same choice as the rest of the world. They get AA, high payers from legacies and internationals, no race bias outside of AA so no worries about getting Federal funding, and athletes. It misses out on high quality education because of what I said earlier and will virtually wipe out the middle and upper class non-hook URM and non-Jewish whites from its ranks, but that’s the cost for getting the rest.</p>
<p>Or it can negate AA and low SES admissions and get all that. Or it can stop taking Federal funding. But as we all know, you can’t always get everything in life and have to make comprises. Question is, what’s important to Harvard? That’s what I would ask Harvard if they were my client.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl, the cultural aspect you speak of is something you are not understanding. Lots of Asian families come from abroad so that their children can do better…so if an Asian family is willing to move from China to LA…I see no problems for them to move from China to Montana. You seemed to just want any reason to keep the target moving so that denying Asians can be justified.</p>
<p>dstark will that same prof take a curious 4.0 over a curious 3.5?</p>
<p>mavant This is the problem, each time a “hurdle” is placed and cleared by the Asian student another one magically appears. Somehow if an Asian does it something, it’s no longer that significant. </p>