<p>it would be interesting to see what the ethnic composition of CCers are…</p>
<p>Well, i go to a private school in socal. About half our senior class was accepted to USC. I know two people with very low SATs that were accepted to USC (they had nothing else going for them).</p>
<p>i wasnt talking about the op shinseki but this topic has degraded into some pretty insulting USC bashing, when in reality if even a iota of those things were true it wouldnt be the subject of conversation. It is a little ahead of things to compare it to berkeley mind you as berkeley is very established, especially for a public school, but by how much one must wonder.</p>
<p>“Undergrad is very very intense at Cal, and still intense at UCLA in the sciences and engineering(I don’t know much about humanities so I can’t really comment on that.) Grad schools of UCLA outrank USC in I think every category(yeah I know US News rankings aren’t much to go on, but it’s what we have).”</p>
<p>and besides who’s to say undergrad isnt intense at USC? plenty of their undergraduate programs are equivibly high, business film, engineering. And because they dont have to go by state law to accept people it tends in some ways to be very competitive because of the caliber of the student body (IE no “gap”, as some have noted).</p>
<p>and i’m not sure grad schools outrank UCLA in every category either.</p>
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<p>Berkeley shows up as #3, but I don’t know where UCLA is. USC is #7.</p>
<p>n1bigdude, how do you explain USC’s high SAT average then? From your example it’s clear that they accept people for reasons other than high scores - refuting those who claim USC is just taking all high SAT-scorers.</p>
<p>Sorry my bad, Engineering and film are the exceptions in terms of grad school. UCLA is ahead in the rest. </p>
<p>Never said USC’s undergrad isn’t intense, but logically and implicitly from the past, UCLA and UCB’s undergrad experiences are known to be challenging and very likely more so than USC in terms of engineering and science. </p>
<p>In my view, the ‘gap’ is a result of a sort of gamble or chance by the UC’s since they are subject to public school limitations. They give students who normally won’t have an opportunity to receive an education of this caliber who may/may not have what it takes. But even if there is a small chance that they’ll succeed, then it’s worth it to offer them even if they don’t do so well, thus causing the gap. If they’re gonna fail, they may as well fail having the chance.</p>
<p>In other news, several universities sempitern55 applied to coincidentally did the same thing with his application.</p>
<p>and cmon, i wouldnt say engineering, film (and business!, lest for undergrad) are simple exceptions, they’re big programs.</p>
<p>and otherwise, USC being behind them on the rankings means nothing if it is still in the upper top tier with them, which it is. Sometimes people need to look a bit outside the box, if a school is say, in the top 10, it’s a bit hard to rationalize truly how much more intense one is from the other, i anything they may be more different than bette ror harder, and i think that’s what one should take away from this.</p>
<p><a href=“http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1357122004[/url]”>http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1357122004</a></p>
<p>Probably plenty of kids at USC who come from money who can afford to pay others to do their work. But what do the kids on scholarship do - is that factored into their grants/scholarships or do they have to do their own work?</p>
<p>Does anyone know if Paige Laurie had her degree taken away?</p>
<p>Well, for some of these, UCLA and USC aren’t in the top 10, but I agree with you that if any school is in the top 10, difference between say 4 and 6 or 2 and 3 may be slight. Well, film is most definitely better at USC I think, but the majority of people don’t go into film, and when they do, not many succeed to the degree they’d expect.<br>
Anyway here you go:
Business: UCLA 11, USC 26
Law: UCLA 15, USC 18 -not much of a difference here I think
Medicine Primary Care: UCLA 33, USC 46
Medicine Research: UCLA 11, USC 32
Engineering: UCLA 15, USC 7
Education: UCLA 2, USC 18</p>
<p>Of course, grad and undergrad at both schools are great, I am in no way saying USC sucks, I just happen to think UCLA’s better in more aspects than USC even if emphasis isn’t placed on rankings(which I don’t think are worth very much, btw)</p>
<p>in regards to the Paige Laurie article posted by BigGreen</p>
<p>“The University of California, meanwhile, is investigating the claims and considering punitive sanctions.”</p>
<p>i dont get why that’s at the end of the article?</p>
<p>must be a mistake the reporter made - here’s what it should have read:</p>
<p>“Regarding the Paige Laurie investigation; University of Southern California, USC, officials have not returned our repeated attempts to get information. In November the Dean of Student Affairs said he had launched an investigation, but student records are private and Paige Lauries’s parents have never commented, saying it was a private matter.”</p>
<p>actually, the UC was also investigating. The girl in question enrolled in UCR after returning home. But, since what she did was ethically and morally wrong, the state U was taking a look-see into thier policies and her application and transcripts. Obviously, at any school with an honor code (such as UVa)…</p>
<p>Oh please BigGreen, if we want to lower ourselves to pointing out the scandals at respective schools, one recent UCLA one comes to mind that’s significantly worse. It’s one thing to say “my school is better; here’s why.” It’s quite another to say “hey everyone! check out this scandal. Typical of them, huh?” and especially foolish when there are much larger ones at UCLA; ones that, for the sake of continuing bona fide fair and educated discourse regarding the topic at hand, won’t be brought up. Apparently for some, enlightened discussion is too difficult. </p>
<p>And because one person is guilty of this, then the entire USC (oh, excuse me, the entire wealthy USC community which is most certainly everyone, right?) student body pays off others? Quite a slippery slope.</p>
<p>Thankfully, many of us are above posts like yours.</p>
<p>scandals like that do happen at many other schools,probably even the one you go to (if you go to one), many different ivy leagues come to mind.</p>
<p>anyhow, shenseki form the ratings you posted, again, unless it’s one of those specific gap programs (perhaps education, or a specific medicine) it isnt a very disparate different between the two like i said before. I know you’re not saying anything negative, i’m just calling attention to the fact that they’re truly more even than most think (or dont think judging by some of the more rude posts here).</p>
<p>and i would point out that the business (grad.) thing there’s a bit of a question out on right now, as USC was right behind UCLA and then slid a lot, i’m waiting for the next rankings revision to see if it comes back because i heard the school was looking into what happened with that.</p>
<p>Furthermore Shinseki,</p>
<p>I noticed you’re omitting some programs… coincidentally ones where USC leads. Anything attached to the Annenberg name (journalism and comm) as well as Thornton Music.</p>
<p>Additionally, there are many other non-quantifiable by US News things that can enhance a school. Things like lack of bureaucracy (unless you’d LIKE to be a number), alumni network, private school attention, etc. I’m not saying this makes USC better than UCLA as that would be presumptuous. In turn, it would be presumptuous to say UCLA is better simply because adding up the number of departments ranked higher is higher. Personally, I chose USC over UCLA for the major I was interested in.</p>
<p>Really, despite that Bruins would like to think, USC and UCLA are on the same level. Yes, they vary departmentally and anyone choosing between the two should consider this. If I wanted to do journalism, USC. If geography, UCLA hands down. They’re both good schools. They’re both quite selective. USC is better in some aspects, UCLA in others. Let’s be at peace with that.</p>
<p>How would you guys compare the undergrad engineering program to the undergrad business program at USC?</p>
<p>I currently don’t know what I want to major in so any input would be great. Thanks!</p>
<p>2+2=5, if you want to go by rankings, then business wins out (#9 nationally). However, Viterbi is still highly regarded and the brightest people I know at USC are all in Viterbi. Perhaps this is due to the nature of the major, but who knows.</p>
<p>themegastud,</p>
<p>The only thing that I think UCLA far outshines USC in is research quality. However, in the next decade, I see a jump in USC research breadth. As for now though, UCLA is still seen as the giant in LA.</p>
<p>That jump is already underway Ari, but yes, I’ll have to concede total research. As my tour guide at UCLA put it, “research is almost literally falling out of each window here.”</p>
<p>granted research is a very broad thing just by its sheer size i’m not surprised UCLA currently wins out on research but USC is getting some serious research power, some i personally am aware of is Homelan setting up a security research center there, as well as one of the joint Earthquake research centers along with caltech and some of the other UC’s. USC’s also getting alot of army grants, especailly army technology research (i actually noticed it on CNN when i was in one of the lecture halls).</p>
<p>As far as engineering compared to business yeah they are different, i started off in engineering (so i’m one of megastuds “smart friends”) but then switched to business. Both schools are getting some interesting new buildings, engineering with the new tudor hall, and Business with popovich (for grad students though) and Orfelea (sp) hall is being planned for undergrads.</p>
<p>The only way to compare them really is not the quality of their education but more what you want to do, as they’re both among SC’s more prestigious programs, but they are for different fields of interest. I do interact with both the Engineering and Business schools for my education though and i think they’re both good.</p>