<p>Wow, what a great show</p>
<p>Haggard said that Christians are persecuted, because after all they killed Jesus didn’t they</p>
<p>Didn’t Jesus HAVE to die? Just checking</p>
<p>And I know Haggard is not he best example, but gee</p>
<p>And the drive up church, put in some money, get a prayer and never leave the car</p>
<p>Ps most of the Kids in PacBell Park had to be bussed in, our evil city</p>
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<p>Doesn’t that remind you of the prayer machines in The Handmaid’s Tale?</p>
<p>I read this recently and it struck a chord with me:</p>
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<p><a href=“http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/04/christianism_a_.html[/url]”>http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/04/christianism_a_.html</a></p>
<p>With that said, the response of Haggard’s flock to what’s happened has been impressive. I suspect there is more Christian than Christianist about them.</p>
<p>I think Alexandra Pelosi’s made a wonderful documentary. Given my own Christian faith, it’s a bit… scary…?</p>
<p>I didn’t see the film, but there are a couple of clips here:</p>
<p><a href=“Page not found | Crooks and Liars”>The Evangelical War On Science | Crooks and Liars;
<p><a href=“Page not found | Crooks and Liars”>Sex Talk With Reverend Ted | Crooks and Liars;
<p>The second one is about the most nauseating thing I’ve ever seen. The first is simply frightening.</p>
<p>This scares you guys? Really? Wow. Videos of beheadings and threats of jihad and the anihilation of Israel and America frighten and nauseate me.</p>
<p>I didn’t think the program had much depth. Also, Pelosi seemed use ordinary messages and tried to turn them into incendiary or frightening icons. For example, I didn’t think any of the Billboards or bumperstickers were particularly intimidating to secular person (“Jesus Saves”). And she seemed to miss the whole point of the drive in “chapel.” </p>
<p>As for the defrocked Colorado Springs minister, he was a slick oddball. The blowhard “values voter” preacher from Ohio, whom I’ve seen interviewed before, is dangerously close to being a political bigot. I’ve always been of two minds about Falwell. I gave him credit years ago for providing housing and counseling for pregnant teenagers, but some of the things he has said in recent years makes no sense, even to fellow Christians.</p>
<p>(“Jesus Saves”). </p>
<p>Doesn’t go “and Gretzy gains the rebound and shoots and scores!” ?</p>
<p>Or " and Beckham finishes! 1 - nil Man U."</p>
<p>All right Opie. And will you be rooting for the “Holy Rollers” at the skate rink [place sound effect here]?</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter how or where one prays. If people want to drive up and put a dollar in a box to pray in a car in a parking lot that’s wonderful because they donated the dollar! Anyone can pray anywhere, even on the toilet, God is listening.</p>
<p>Although I find the term “Christian-ists” more precise than the epithet “fundies” --inasmuch as Sullivan’s invention draws from the same well as the term “scientism,” it has the aura of legitimacy-- it still lacks the gossamer thread that delicately connects language to reality; rather it is language than connects to no more than more language.
Here Wittgenstein’s general attack on the emptiness of language is finally apropos:
“Language is a wheel that turns and moves nothing” </p>
<p>And it may be that Jesus still “Saves,” but certainly any sports aficionado would know that a retired Gretsky no longer “shoots and scores.”</p>
<p>And Backhandgrip, let me admiringly add “…wherever two or more are gathered in his name…”</p>
<p>Isn’t there a joke “Jesus saves but Moses delivers?” I even read that it had been adopted by a trucking company “Jesus saves but we deliver.”</p>
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<p>There used to be one “Jesus Saves, and Esposito scores on the rebound.”</p>
<p>"And it may be that Jesus still “Saves,” but certainly any sports aficionado would know that a retired Gretsky no longer “shoots and scores.” </p>
<p>Well, alot of people think Jesus will make a comeback, why not the great one? :)</p>
<p>I mean C’mon it’s Gretzy for crying out loud, the guy could still score and get a couple assists…:)</p>
<p>…you’re probably right–however, he would not have a prayer with Jesus between the pipes.:)</p>
<p>Jesus isn’t a hockey player. Everybody knows he a great point guard.</p>
<p>.“…you’re probably right–however, he would not have a prayer with Jesus between the pipes.”</p>
<p>Yea but would Jesus dissappoint Wayne? I mean c’mon, it’s Jesus. Wouldn’t the J-man let one in so Wayne’s feelings wouldn’t get hurt? I mean it’s in his nature to do for others. :)</p>
<p>…as it turns out, his kingdom is no part of this world–or the rink generally.</p>
<p>No dice:</p>
<p>Isaiah 5:15
“…and the Great one shall be brought down” </p>
<p>…there you have it: no goal!</p>
<p>And how about that great hymn that I used to hear:</p>
<p>Oh, the game was played on Sunday
in old St. Pete’s back yard
Jesus he played quarterback
and Moses, he played guard</p>
<p>The angels on the sidelines
began to hoot and yell
when Jesus made a touchdown
against that team from Hell.</p>