Help an UG Freshman with a Sub-Par Track Record into the Good Graces of the Ivies!

<p>My High School academic record can be described as sub-par to most. I had a good start but between the end of my Sophomore Year and the Beginning of my Junior Year my grades fell, mostly due to family issues I had at the time. However that’s all in the past, I’m trying to look forward now and I’d like to know what exactly I must work towards to transfer into one of the Ivies. I am soon to attend Bates College, a prestigious LAC in Maine, this year. And although I’ve fallen in love with the school itself it was always one of my dreams to attend an Ivy, specifically Harvard, Stanford, or UPenn. I am a Biology Major (in the hopes of becoming a Pediatric Surgeon in the near future. With that said I have a few questions.</p>

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<li><p>When is the best time to transfer (esp. for Ivies), because of my poor performance in HS, would it be better for me to wait until my Junior year. I’d much rather enter my Sophomore Year.</p></li>
<li><p>What do these colleges look for in terms of academics, of course they look for the best scholars in college but what exactly should I focus on (GPA/SAT/etc).</p></li>
<li><p>If offered admission to an Ivy who all meet 100 % need would I be able to attain a lot of need-based aid (hopefully in the form of non-loan monies) or does the situation change for transfers? I come from a low-income family and I’m hoping that if I were accepted that the aid offered at an Ivy would be comparable to the aid I was offered at Bates (which was incredibly generous, almost a full ride).</p></li>
<li><p>Please if anyone has anymore information regarding Ivy League Transfer admissions, especially for someone in my case please respond. thanks</p></li>
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<p>First, my two cents. Bates is a wonderful college, and I don’t understand why you don’t stay put. It’s one of the top 25 LACs in the country. You haven’t even gotten to Bates yet, so it seems a little premature to attempt to transfer already. You may fall in complete love with it and decide you don’t want to leave. The Ivy League is just an athletic conference, so it seems silly to get attached to a small subset of schools in the country when you got into a college of similar caliber. By the way, Stanford is not an Ivy.</p>

<p>Keep in mind, also, that transfer admissions to Ivies is extremely competitive. Yale, for example, says that they receive over 1,000 applications each year but only admits 20-30 transfer students. That’s a 0.02-0.03% rate of acceptance. All the Ivies likely have similar rates. They have high retention rates and very little reason to admit transfer students (probably the reason Princeton doesn’t). All the transfer websites I visited in the Ivy League says that they look for students who have compelling reasons for wanting to transfer into their school. “Always wanting to have attended one” doesn’t seem like a particularly compelling reason.</p>

<p>As a residence hall director I knew several transfer students into my Ivy, though (about 20ish total, including one of my RAs). Most of them transferred after their sophomore year, although my RA transferred after his junior year. He transferred from another Ivy (Dartmouth), and he did have a compelling reason (he didn’t fit into Dartmouth socially or academically for a variety of reasons, and thought that Columbia’s atmosphere would be a better fit for him for X reasons).</p>

<p>To answer your questions:</p>

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<li><p>This depends, especially on how “bad” your undergrad record was. I highly doubt that it was sub-par, as you got into one of the top 25 LACs in the nation. Honestly, it really depends on what you are able to accomplish in your first few months as a Bates student. If you are already bent on transferring, I would not wait. Go ahead and apply your freshman year; you give yourself a chance to try again in case you are unsuccessful.</p></li>
<li><p>The answer for this is self-evident: Everything. You will have to be even MORE competitive as a transfer student than you were as a high school student. Don’t focus on any one thing; focus on all things. Your GPA should be top notch (at least a 3.5, I would say, but you’ll really want to aim for a 3.7+ in your first and second year) and you should get very involved at Bates. You need to demonstrate to them that you will be an asset to their campus, should you transfer. So get involved in things you love (you should do this anyway!). I think it would be rather silly to retake the SATs, especially as they diminish in importance after you have a good college record behind you, but if your scores are really on the low end for these schools it might be worth it.</p></li>
<li><p>I looked on Stanford, Penn, and Harvard’s websites and wasn’t able to find any concrete information about whether they met need for transfer students. My guess is that Harvard does, but I’m not sure about Penn and Stanford. If they meet need, they can meet it in a variety of ways. Most likely, a Stafford loan will be included, and probably also work-study and a student contribution. However, it depends on your family’s circumstances. (Again, knowing that you got nearly a full ride from Bates - and I think I remember seeing your aid package in another thread, and it was incredible - I wonder WHY you would want to transfer from one of the TOP 25 LACs in the whole damn country just for the sake of saying you went to an Ivy.)</p></li>
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<p>“And although I’ve fallen in love with the school itself it was always one of my dreams to attend an Ivy, specifically Harvard, Stanford, or UPenn.”
If you have a sup-par HS record then its time to rejoice that you got into Bates, and put away your “dream” of attending an “Ivy”.
Your chances of an acceptance at the colleges you mention are nil. Top colleges accept so few transfer students, and they are always top students who have proven themselves both in HS and in college. So let that dream die and focus on the opportunity you have.
Do great at Bates and aim for a top grad school. That is much more realistic.</p>

<p>Thank you for responding, both of you. Of course I am completely blessed to be given admissions to Bates (or to be offered such generous aid) and I know that I’d be content with my schooling there. Bates was one of my top choices when applying to colleges a few months back and I am incredibly lucky. However, it wasn’t my top choice (Stanford was). I’d worked my tail off in the hopes of becoming a competitive applicant in admissions (at one point I was even being recruited as an athlete there) but things just didn’t work out as I had planned and I knew that the may not given the lackluster performance I had shown the end of my Sophomore Year and into my Junior Year because of the family issues I had to deal with at the time. It had always been my dream to attend Stanford since 7th grade, I suppose it’s just difficult for me to let go of a dream that has been in the works for so many years.</p>

<p>dreams are hard to let go of… but as the saying goes
“when one door closes another one opens…”
take full advantage of Bates! it has much to offer!</p>