Help creating a college list for D25 with interests in engineering and foreign language [4.0, 1560, <$32k after merit]

Hi CC community! I am reaching out for guidance/advice in helping my D25 develop a well-balanced list of colleges to explore. She hopes to stay in the northeast, but understands her odds might be greater outside of the northeast. I think she would consider opportunities further south/west if they are affordable and easy to access by either direct flight or train.

D25 is seeking a medium-sized college/university with an academicky vibe (as @NiceUnparticularMan would say :slight_smile: ), preferably in a small city or town (ie., she really does not want to be in the middle of nowhere.) Her interests (at the moment) are applied math, but she has also expressed an interest in engineering, so I’d like to keep that an option during her college search (thus eliminating many smaller LACs.) She would also like to continue with her foreign language, so we are leaning more towards liberal arts colleges/universities with engineering degree options – in case she decides to go that route. We will be chasing merit – would love a price tag to not exceed 32k/yr. Her stats are 4.0 UW/1560, she has somewhat typical ECs (for CC, that is) – capt of her v sport, pres of some clubs, first chair in music, etc. She is incredibly self-driven and motivated and has been enjoying the beginning of her college search, but she is really struggling to find that “hidden gem” that is affordable, a likely/probable admit, checks both the engineering and foreign language box, and has the right vibe (more collaborative/less competitive).

So far, her list is top-heavy, with many “unlikely” schools (pie-in-the skies!). She loves the academic vibe she gets from these schools, as well as the campus diversity and engaging student body. (I know these can be found at many places…) Based on the NPC, D25’s “unlikely” schools are affordable …. Unfortunately the NPCs have her reach and likely schools as much more expensive – many are not financial options.

I’d love to hear any ideas you might have of places she should consider. Here’s what she has, so far, in addition to her “unlikely” list:

WUSL (also a bit of a pie-in-the-sky; NPC has it affordable for us; she loves the size, residential college system, majors, will attempt to visit before applying)
RPI (had a positive visit; bummer no foreign language option tho; NPC indicates this is too expensive without scholarship; also a bit cold – but she has agreed to keep it in the running)
Georgia Tech (she could minor in foreign lang if she wanted, so that is exciting; NPC indicates this is a bit expensive as well - we are oos. Also, getting competitive for oos applicants.)
U Pitt (don’t know much about this yet but D25 will investigate it)
U Conn (generally positive visit; great engineering department; D25 didn’t love how the campus is quite isolated/remote and it feels very big)
U Mass (D25 hasn’t visited yet….I know she feels this is just so big, which is unfortunate.)

Other schools D25 has researched or visited and is currently leaning away from (price, location, or vibe being the main reasons) include:
WPI, Fordham, Northeastern, George Washington, U Rochester and RIT (unfortunately, way too cold), SUNY Stoney Brook, Lehigh, Bently, Case Western, CMU and Drexel.

Thanks for taking the time to read through all this, and for any thoughts you can share! I’m hoping this can help others looking for similar schools as well.

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Pitt seems to surprise everyone in a good way. If it’s affordable I would suggest taking a visit. It’s urban but self contained and right in the middle of a vibrant happening downtown, great school spirit. Plus rolling admission so you can get a head start in the application cycle and hopefully have some good news early on the process.

I would also look at Delaware, since you are considering U Conn and Mass. With your daughter’s stats she should be a strong candidate for their honors program and significant scholarship dollars. Good luck

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What is the budget because you said WUSTL is affordable but RPI isn’t.

What language? I ask because RPI has a Chinese minor.

I like how you’ve leaned against the NEU, GW types - they don’t meet your need. CWRU is in the city - but not the downtown - so it might be one worth keeping. Bentley is a business focused school so wouldn’t have worked.

Let us know budget please - thanks

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For budget reasons, you may want to add on some of the bigger state schools in the NE just to have some options down the road. Penn State, Rutgers V-Tech have great engineering programs. Big schools can feel small once you find your people, tough for smaller schools to feel bigger.

Bucknell might be worth a look, not sure how they are on Merit but a great undergrad engineering program coupled with a great linguistics department

Yes - but we don’t know the budget - and they may be too pricey. Why I asked.

WUSTL meets need and RPI does not - and the OP noted one is too expensive. Of course RPI gives merit.

But if we had a figure, we’d be able to provided assured financially able to meet budget schools. Even a WUSTL, with an NPC, is never assured (if someone fills it out wrong, etc).

Thanks @tsbna44, The ideal budget is less than 32K/year, but we could swing 36. Yes, interestingly RPI came out as 11K/yr more than WUSL when I run the NPC! With that said, there might be a greater chance for D25 to get a scholarship at RPI given the gender imbalance there. Unfortunately, her language is not Chinese, so she would miss out on the foreign language piece at RPI. She did like the RPI campus and the students there seem great.

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State of residency and are any in-state public schools suitable and affordable?

thanks, @Novacat9191, these are great suggestions, and your point that big schools can feel small once you find your people is a good one. I’ll run the NPC on these and take a look.

Would a Canadian school like McGill work? Especially if the language is French.

Pitt OOS will be above budget unless there’s merit or FA. Apply very early.

Georgia Tech isn’t a safety but is very doable in 3 years with AP/dual classes. S20 took 3 years plus a year of co-op.

Any thoughts about one of the military academies?

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Thanks @ucbalumnus. Yes, D25 will apply to the state flagship; it’s affordable and an option. She is very lukewarm about the vibe/fit there but I suspect she could find her people and will apply.

When I hear Engineering and Foreign Language, I think URI. They have a great program that combines the two fields, and I bet she’d get great merit there & honors. I know it doesn’t meet all your other wants but you might check it out and see if it sparks any interest.

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Great suggestion, thanks @chmcnm! I will explore McGill, it seems like a nice option. In general, D25 feels Pitt is too far - harder to get to than places in the Philly area. Somehow Georgia Tech feels easier for her, she could hop a direct flight. And yes, Georgia Tech is certainly not a safety!!! The price for GT is also outside our range for oos, but maybe with scholarships…

We’re on the other side of the state. Direct flights to Atlanta were easy. That said, Georgia Tech doesn’t offer many scholarships. They do t need to. She could apply for Stamps but highly competitive usually used to lure kids away from MIT.

The 3 year cost at GT was what we would’ve paid for 4 years at Pitt or PSU. No brainer.

Pittsburgh has a lot flights. S21 is at FSU. OOS tuition waiver for top students makes it very inexpensive. Beautiful campus with happy kids.

Is she NMSF? That could open up scholarships. Good luck.

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My son is at Wheaton College in Norton and has a huge merit scholarship - physics and math major and just got into the Dartmouth College Engineering Dual Program. It is a 5 year program but he will graduate with 2 undergraduate degrees from the 2 schools. One in physics and math and one in engineering from Dartmouth.

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Which foreign language is your D leaning toward? Is there a particular type of engineering she would be more inclined towards? Just want to make sure that any colleges suggested have the options she’s considering.

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Wow, congratulations to your son! Sounds like a great program, thanks for sharing! I am hesitant about the 5-yr dual degree programs for financial reasons…

I know a sophomore at bucknell who got excellent merit, not sure the amount but it was the only way she could attend (no FA).

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Thanks @AustenNut, D is interested in continuing with French, possibly spending a semester abroad – not sure if she will decide to minor in it. She is primarily interested in applied math and environmental engineering.

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Wonder if Lafayette College would come in at your budget with merit awards? Would accommodate engineering, the language, and math/physics. Should be a comfortable match for your D.

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