Help creating a college list for D25 with interests in engineering and foreign language [4.0, 1560, <$32k after merit]

For what it is worth, your plan looks very similar to what many kids at our feederish HS end up doing with the support of our very experience college counselors.

A few specific notes. I completely agree you are not abandoning MIT, she is just going to apply there RD, and that is really not something I would be concerned about. And if she happened to get into Yale SCEA (and note a decent number of people get deferred but then accepted RD), the nice thing about that is she can then just shut down anything she would not plausibly prefer, but keep going with anything she might, including MIT.

The other thing, which you are already thinking about, is ED 2. That can get tricky. Like, what if she is deferred by Yale and not rejected? What about MIT? Should she do ED 2 and possibly give up those options?

I’ll just note that when my S24 was deferred by Yale, he thought about ED 2 at WUSTL, then decided not to. Long story short, he was rejected RD by Yale, got into WUSTL RD, and now he is off to WUSTL.

Was that a guaranteed result? Of course not. But I do personally think there is too much pressure on kids to ED somewhere. OK if makes sense, but if not, just make sure you have good alternatives.

Like, my S24 also got into LACs like Carleton, Haverford, and Vassar. He got an offer from St Andrews. He got the Monroe Scholarship at William & Mary. He got into Wake Forest, Rochester with a bit of merit, and Pitt with (eventually) a bit of merit.

So if his ā€œgambleā€ not to ED 2 WUSTL had not worked out, he would have been fine!

Anyway, I just thought this situation sounded so broadly familiar I would lay out those thoughts. Long story short, your plan looks excellent to me.

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Yes, she will definitely apply RD to UConn! The program there looks great and it could be a solid choice in the northeast.

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@Wall2Wall – I sent you a DM. Let me know if you have trouble accessing it.

I cannot ā€œlikeā€ this post enough.

Young neighbor of mine working in sustainability- civil engineering degree from a large state flagship. Cousin of mine doing VERY cool work in climate/environmental-- degree in geology. His spouse-- similar work- degree in oceanography.

The degree does NOT need to be so closely aligned with the ultimate career goal. The career goal is likely to change, AND anything STEM related is by definition inter-disciplinary. The two most important things in this field (in my opinion of course) is a rigorous foundation in all the relevant scientific areas, including math; and faculty who are doing cutting edge work/leading the dialogue on both the science and the public policy. You can work in sustainability with a degree in materials science, mechanical engineering, physics, marine biology… it’s a huge field which needs every type of training and approach. And a frequently forgotten discipline-- but critical to solving many of the current issues- psychology. How to create incentives for behaving in a certain way, how to get people to stop doing something which is clearly harmful for the environment-- psychology.

Your D sounds terrific. Good luck!

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Thank you @MMRose! Hopefully I did it right and you can see my reply.

Some great points here, @blossom (and @crankymom), thank you!

Yes!! It worked, and I replied back. :slight_smile:

Late to the game here, but what about Rice University? It has a residential college plan like Yale, excellent academics, and is ABET-accredited in civil engineering.

Might be cost-prohibitive, though.

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If Yale is affordable, then Rice is likely to be so as well. It has a history of being quite financially generous.

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Yes, Rice is on the list for RD and it does come very close to Yale on the NPC. Thanks for mentioning it @gandalf78! We’ve heard wonderful things about the university, it’s programs and residential colleges. The obvious challenge with Rice is its super low RD admit rate (too many <10% RD admit rates on D25s list!) The less obvious challenge is that D25 really doesn’t favor going to Texas for university. I know that might sound crazy - I’m sure she would find her people and it would likely be a wonderful experience, but she has her reasons and at this point, it feels like a hard sell.

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Hi, happy Nov 1 everyone!

Not sure if this is of interest or helpful to anyone, but here’s how D25 wrapped up her early round… She is interested in environmental engineering and applied math; these interests (along with estimated cost/NPC and location), as well as your suggestions upthread, governed her picks for EA.

REA: Yale (her pie-in-the-sky; submitted engineering portfolio)

EA:
Georgia Tech (OOS so super reach)
UNC Chapel Hill (OOS so also super reach; applied for applied sciences and mathematics)
NC State (submitted the extra essay for Park Scholarship consideration)
UMass Amherst
URI (no environmental engineering offered so applied for mathematics)
UConn (this is an RD application, but D applied by the early deadline for Stamps Scholarship consideration)

Up next is MIT, WashU, WPI, RPI…. And then I suppose we will see how she feels! She seems to have settled in for the long haul and is also really enjoying senior year.

I’ve appreciated all the insight here – thank you! Ideas and comments are so appreciated. If there is interest, I will report back!

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Just wanted to offer to chat re: WPI if you/she had any questions/concerns. My son is currently a junior there, double majoring in CivE and MechE and he’s been very happy.

I know you referenced languages earlier - while WPI doesn’t have a very robust language program (I think they offer minors in 3-4 languages), the international ā€œflavorā€ they do offer is that junior year you get to do a term long project, and most of them are abroad. It’s challenging to be able to do a study abroad as an engineering student, given all the class requirements, so if that’s something that’s interesting to her, it might be something to note for WPI.

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URI has environmental engineering as part of civil engineering:

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Since she is already applying to some high reaches and has applied math as one of her interests…just wanted to mention that Brown has a very well-regarded program in Applied Math and is also ABET accredited in environmental engineering. Plus the Open Curriculum allows for students to follow additional interests, even with the rigors of ABET engineering.

I’m sure other schools have something similar, but I saw that they have an upper level applied math class entitled ā€œMathematics and Climateā€. Feel free to DM me if you want.

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Brown’s ABET accredited engineering majors require some humanities and social science courses, since general education is a requirement for ABET accreditation. However, the volume of humanities and social science requirements at Brown is less than for engineering majors at some other schools like MIT.

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Thank you @OctoberKate!

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Great points @MMRose and @ucbalumnus, thanks. The program at Brown looks amazing and D25 loves the location - she will apply. She has some additional high reaches on her list, as well. We support this, but want to ensure applications to her target/match schools are in before she gets too distracted with the others. Hard to know if she will run out of steam! She’s just getting started on all the RD essays…

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Good luck!

Looking forward to hearing how her search progresses!

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Thanks, @MMRose … I’ll circle back!

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Does your budget account for federal student loans and a reasonable amount of work study employment? Plus STEM students can often get pretty lucrative summer internships for summer after junior year and sometimes after sophomore year.

Just thinking that might help make some ā€œjust out of financial reachā€ options possible.

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