<p>A pathetic attempt to regain his status and riches among the gullable …really sad that he propbably will.</p>
<p>Well this might be an embarassing thing to prove to everybody else.</p>
<p>I think the man has some mental issues that aren’t going away. They are just being buried (again) and will rear their head again. </p>
<p>I’m not saying his homosexuality is a mental illness, but rather how he has dealt with it over the years. By destroying and commdeming others lives (homosexuals) all the while being one in public denial, isn’t a sign of mental health.</p>
<p>I am intrigued regarding how 4 men administering “intensive” counseling certified him officially not homosexual. If the therapy was really “hands-on” in the most basic sense possible and he wasn’t stimulated to further homosexual “wandering,” well happy day. On the other hand, were I his wife (and female), I don’t think I’d take this good housekeeping seal of approval at face value. I’d be demanding he use condoms with me, assuming he was even interested in me – not specifically because he may be gay, but specifically because he is likely to be wandering.</p>
<p>I read that, in a the middle of a recent documentary interview, Haggard broke into discussion about how Christian couples have better sex than others. And he prodded his deputy to talk about the fact that he brings his wife to climax a lot… or something to that effect. The poor man seems to not be handling some visceral drives he has very well.</p>
<p>What is pathetic is him saying he is “cured” which implies he was “sick” and that being gay is an illness…what this does is re-enforce the idea that homosexuals need a cure and that the “cures” work</p>
<p>And are you sayng DPX that it was sad that he didn’t take a hard line on homesexuals? Or that he was living a sad life by denying who he was,and by getting his power, money, etc from putting down other who, gosh were like him</p>
<p>What is sad to me, is that advertsing he has been CURED in three weeks, it creates an atmosphere and mindset for those that want to not give gays any rights and in fact want to discriminate against homesexuals ammunition to say, see, you can be fixed, and you weren’t born that way, etc</p>
<p>that is the sad part</p>
<p>whatever Haggard needs to do, whatever, but a person in his positon can do a lot of harm while trying to protect himself- the ultimiate of selfishness</p>
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<p>CGM,
I suggest you re-read my post #19; you could not be farther off-base.</p>
<p>No amount of embarrassment or hypocrisy slows these people down, does it?</p>
<p>And CGM, don’t ask Dottie too many questions, because she already said she “completely uninterested.” :D</p>
<p>“I am intrigued regarding how 4 men administering “intensive” counseling certified him officially not homosexual.”</p>
<p>They are experts in the field. ;)</p>
<p>HIS WORD- a VERY public announcement can hurt so many people by making claims that he was cured…to just say, eh, it matters not, well, guess some of us have more concerns about our fellow humans who are hurt by the likes of a Haggard and those that will relish in his public acclamations of being “fixed” to justify the decrimination of millions of others, guess you not caring doesn’t seem to see the bigger picture</p>
<p>too bad</p>
<p>did they pray about it or what?
and does anyone really think that Haggard would come out, (okay bad pun) of this “therapy” saying anything else but what he said</p>
<p>I don’t care if he is gay or straight or martian, but his words can do much damage</p>
<p>It is like a charleton with snake oil</p>
<p>If a homosexual man were involved in a long term relationship with a man, I should hope that he could be ‘cured’ of his heterosexuality in order to remain devoted to the one he had dedicated his love to, should he be found wolfing around with the ladies. As I understand, this is, from time to time, something of a problem.</p>
<p>As we all would.</p>
<p>I would cringe at the word ‘cured,’ of course, but would applaud the commitment and devotion to love, nonetheless. Even should he have stubbornly, and wrongly, opposed heterosexual marriage, I would be happy for the old softie.</p>
<p>High-five!</p>
<p>I think you are being contrary today just for the sake of it</p>
<p>For the old softie that used religion to hurt…K…guess I am less forgiving of those that used their “god” power to hurt other people, doing it in the name of Christ and the Bible</p>
<p>but guess my compassion is for the masses, not those that have personal agendas to get back their own fame and fortune</p>
<p>“I do not believe that we would question the sexual revelations of someone who at one time enjoyed heterosexual sex but, for whatever reason, now claims to be committed to a same sex life.”</p>
<p>Of course not, because in that case, the person would be violating strong societal (and usually family) pressures in making the revelation. It’s a tremendously risky thing to say.</p>
<p>Let’s again assume that homosexuality is just a bad habit that can be cured with treatment.</p>
<p>When a person takes a public stand that goes against their religion, puts their career at risk, and may cost them their family, you can be pretty darn sure that it is not a whim – that stand reflects some very powerful and fundamental desire within the person.</p>
<p>On the other hand, when a person takes a contrary public stand that is a necessary first step for getting his job back, restoring his ruined reputation, and appeasing his alienated family…well, there’s good reason to be more skeptical about whether that action is motivated by desire or by the many other benefits that will accrue from taking the action.</p>
<p>This pattern is actually written into the law via an exception to the hearsay rule. Usually, a witness’s out-of-court statements can’t be admitted to prove that what they said was true. But if the statement was against the witness’s interest, then it IS admissible. That’s because when people say things that make them look bad (like “the car accident was all my fault” or “I had sex with the male prostitute”), you can be very confident that they’re telling the truth. When people say things that make them look GOOD in the eyes of people they want to impress…it’s smart to be more skeptical.</p>
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Word to the wise (and…well, anyone else):</p>
<p>The masses are merely a crowd of individuals.</p>
<p>[edit: not so in Das Capital]</p>
<p>Should have said I care more about the people this man has hurt, in his quest for power, than I do for him</p>
<p>I hope he can find peace in his life and family, but not do it at the expense of others safety and freedom, i</p>
<p>but that is just me</p>
<p><em>sigh</em> All this does is encourage living a life of self-hatred. What’s the point? While I do feel sorry for him to some degree, I feel more sorry for the gay people that will come out in the future, whose parents will cite his “cure” as proof that one can leave behind their homosexual ways.</p>
<p>Mini: Yes they are experts indeed, with much hands-on experience, no doubt.</p>
<p>But seriously, did they wait for him to proclaim his own heterosexuality? Aren’t people aware that many men call themselves heterosexual and procure male “services” either for pay or not? This is what the whole exposition of the “down low” phenomenon is in the African-American community, as but one example.</p>
<p>Sooo pathetic. Anyone see the parody on this on Boston Legal last night? Sadly amusing and entertaining.
As for Haggard, he and his wife are supposedly taking an on-line course to earn a Masters in Psychology. Now that’s scary. Good thing there isn’t a lot you can do with a terminal masters in psychology.</p>
<p>Especially one taken at the terminal.</p>
<p>mini–
groan… Very punny…</p>
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<p>Exactly. It’s all about the money. And he certainly will regain some of his preaching fame and riches. Just ask Jimmy Swaggart –> He got caught running a private Christian ministry aimed at comforting poor, unfortunate young women who had no underpants. He cried. He repented. He healed himself. The show went on.</p>