He's Now "Completely Heterosexual"

<p>“If you really do have a choice in the matter does it give the rest of us the green light pass an informed moral judgement?”</p>

<p>No, it doesn’t, unless you believe that’s it’s OK to morally condemn people of other religions. There’s no question that practicing a religion is a choice, and that adults often convert from one religion to another. But as long as the worshipper isn’t hurting anyone else or trying to force others to join his religion, most of us think that it is bigotry to “morally condemn” someone because he follows an unpopular religion, or to treat him any differently because of it. Most of us further think that it’s a good thing that discrimination against that person because of his religion is illegal.</p>

<p>oooh, I didn’t get singled out to be directly chastized by… “dorothy”… Should I be offended :smiley:
Now the conservatives think they are the downtrodden? Thats funny.
And the posters singled out as “sounding identical” — er…sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. At least I believe they are different people… “dorothy”…</p>

<p>I have been relegated to the “X” files, with the rest of the “musics”.</p>

<p>Oh gee, coming from our own Dot, that comment makes me feel so deeply crushed.</p>

<p>I’ve got a fever and the only cure is more cowbells.</p>

<p>h, Of the post I could open the study found biological evidence (your born with it) in brain area size. genes baby.</p>

<p>That video was actually pretty funny. Off-topic, but funny. </p>

<p>Are there sheepbells?</p>

<p>higherlead:

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<p>Talk about your oxymoron! :D</p>

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<p>BTW, where do all these posters come from on CC that have never once posted anyplace but the Cafe or Parent forum? Do they in fact have any college related questions, comments, suggestions, issues, etc.? Are they ■■■■■■, or someone’s fifth or tenth identity? What do you think?</p>

<p>Anyway, I’m glad to see that Dot is still uninterested.</p>

<p>weenie:</p>

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<p>I think this would explain all the new creations.</p>

<p>Sad, really.</p>

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With such middling effort on my part you are so easily made into a happy-camper; even if your joy finds its best expression in the caricature of a green toothy smile. </p>

<p>And yet, how perfect that you have found an image to employ to express this beatific satisfaction; as many have neither the singularity of such a toothy image, nor the mellifluous voice to fill it; to your credit you have found one of the precious two, even if green…and toothy. </p>

<p>How very lovely for you, weenie (another image altogether, I suppose–a green toothy weenie, well…it is an image–nonetheless).</p>

<p>perhaps I’m foolish but I have not read any thought out conservative position here, just name calling.
imho there are well thought, sensible arguements for liberal and conservative positions.</p>

<p>Of course there are sensible arguments on both the liberal and conservative side. </p>

<p>For some reason, on CC, people turn into stereotypes. I am certainly not a liberal in every area, just as I am certain conservatives have more liberal leanings (surely not all ;)).</p>

<p>OldinJersey,</p>

<p>Here’s a position for you, perhaps a conservative one:</p>

<p>Haggert is within the majority view on gay marriage in America–not one I favor, it should be said, but the majority view, nonetheless; which, I suppose, would not necessarily make him a fire-breathing radical on the issue of gay-rights/marriage, even if a rather shrill and loud advocate of the majority view. </p>

<p>Like many of the artistically and spiritually inclined the Rev seems to suffer from fits of conscience and is a victim to the dualism that exists (to the artist/spiritualist) between the body and mind, or spirit and flesh; that is to say, a dichotomy born of a transcendent impulse in an otherwise uncomfortable material existence. Probably even more common, now-a-days, to artists who employ themselves in the transcendent as this is the nature of their art, than fundamentalist religious figures who seem to reject the mystery of sacred scripture and embrace a legal interpretation of the sacred poetry such as it is—but nonetheless.</p>

<p>Many artist and spiritualists have experimented with a great many things, many with homosexuality (amongst many other forms of sexuality: polygamy, polyandry, misogyny, free-love, pederasty, pedophilia, etc) and enjoyed and rejected one or the other for very complicated reasons–others embraced it, also for complicated reasons.</p>

<p>I rather agree with the position you laid out a few posts back that claimed that the Rev. Haggert was an out-of-control sex addict, of sorts. To me, this should be obvious to anyone without a blinding agenda: I do not believe he was looking for love or romantic attachment, along with his methamphetamines, in that hotel room. In any case, this interpretation sounds highly believable to me.</p>

<p>Worse, to me, is the deceit, not so much to his flock, though there too, but to his wife and his children. He seems to have maintained this double-life deception for a very long time. This is a sickness that sickens all involved.</p>

<p>As is the way with those who put ideas before people, like Haggert and many of the so-called liberals in this thread, the focus is on the political advantage to be gained in this sordid affair; the human element be damned.</p>

<p>I, however, take people at their word when it comes to their sexuality—whether I like their politics or not. To me, if he says he is not gay, he never was gay and, additionally, was not “cured” as such a protestation would likely be both impossible and irreverent. This is the libertarian in me.</p>

<p>The conservative in me is offended by his duplicity, not his politics. His politics are his own, maybe I am wrong and he will be proved right in the end, I haven’t the hubris to suggest more than this; but he was vile in his duplicity on many levels.</p>

<p>The liberals here, as in the Anna Nicole thread, seem far more into the bodice-ripping thrills of this story. I find this boorish, if not tasteless.</p>

<p>So, how’s that?</p>

<p>Dorothy–I appreciate your more measured comments.</p>

<p>I think the one-word explanation for all the snarky comments would be “schadenfreude.” Most of us are guilty of that, but then we’re all human.</p>

<p>Anyone is free to experiment, and most of us will live and let live, but when someone so publicly vilifies others for the supposed mote in their eyes, then shows up with a rafter in his, well…it’s just too tempting.</p>

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I’d be interested in seeing your source for this. </p>

<p>Unless you mean to say he spoke against gay marriage.</p>

<p>In fact, I heard quite the opposite (on Terry Gross’ Fresh Air; a lady who, while working for NPR Philly, is, I believe, also herself, a gay lady) and I am rather surprised that those with tin-foil bunny-ears are not suggesting that he was sand-bagged by the hard liners for his relative openness on the issue of gay rights, even if closed on gay marriage, as is the majority of the country.</p>

<p>Dorothy–no, he spoke publicly against <em>gay sex.</em> Here’s an example of what a hypocrite he was. Film clip from the movie “Jesus Camp.”</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=54487[/url]”>http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=54487&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Makes my flesh crawl to see him.</p>

<p>Forgive me if I am a bit perplexed…
Could you quote the passage that made your flesh crawl. </p>

<p>All I heard is: “it’s in the bible”. </p>

<p>Is there more that I missed, if so, what?</p>

<p>[“I</a> think I know what you did last night,” drawing laughs from the crowd. “If you send me a thousand dollars, I won’t tell your wife.”](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp]"I”>Jesus Camp - Wikipedia)</p>

<p>Kinda an ironic quote from Haggard doncha think?:D</p>

<p>Yes, I very much agree.</p>

<p>But there is nothing to suggest that he was refering to a homosexual laison in this cut & paste; just general adultry, it would seem. Which, by my account, is wrong whether homo or hetro.</p>

<p>She’s still going…</p>

<p>:D :smiley: :smiley: Sorry. I really am done being mean now.</p>

<p>Having a MAJORITY view does not mke that view right</p>

<p>Gee the majority of American males for the longest time didn’t want to give women the vote</p>

<p>guess the minority shouldn’t have tried to change the majority’ mind, how silly of them</p>

<p>and too bad those uppity white people went to the south to try and change the majority’s minds when it came to civil rights down there…how rude</p>