Higher Education's bubble is about to burst

<p>[Glenn</a> Reynolds: Higher education’s bubble is about to burst | Washington Examiner](<a href=“http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Sunday_Reflections/Higher-education_s-bubble-is-about-to-burst-95639354.html]Glenn”>http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Sunday_Reflections/Higher-education_s-bubble-is-about-to-burst-95639354.html)</p>

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<p>AMEN. I have though this for a few years. This is the next loan crisis, for sure.</p>

<p>It is EXACTLY like the housing bubble. Easy credit to finance a dream that too often turns into a nightmare. Even worse, unlike a mortgage loan where the house is the collateral, with a student loan YOU are the collateral. And your wages (lower than you thought you’d earn) will be attached for 25 years with non-sensible interest rates and ridiculous penalty fees. The truth is you’d rather be in default on a $500K mortgage than in default on a $100K student loan. The borrowers, the lenders and the colleges, (that are well aware of where the money is coming from), share equally in the blame.</p>

<p>So, an unrelated question based off of this article…</p>

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<p>Can employers not ask for IQ tests? If they can’t, how can they be allowed to ask for an SAT score (as I’ve seen some ask for in my University’s job postings)?</p>

<p>I’ve taken at least one IQ test for a job (I think more) and my husband has taken one. The one I took was with a very large company, so they must have had lawyers approving it.</p>

<p>Not an IQ test, but my company administers a math test during the initial interview for nearly all positions. It’s about 20 word problems, mostly utilizing basic algebra. Just enough to demonstrate reading comprehension, ability to apply given information and find a mathematical solution.</p>

<p>(Somehow I didn’t get to take the math test. I think I’m the only person in my whole office that didn’t. No one is really sure how that happened.)</p>

<p>They gave you algebra problems for an Actuarial job (figured they would have been more rigorous… If you can pass actuarial exams, you can probably do Algebra), or is that still in the future?</p>

<p>IQ tests are in that gray area of employment law. Employers are permitted to use them but if they are challenged (usually under a racial “disparate impact” clause) they have to prove that it has something to do with the actual job and isn’t just a generic line in the sand. These restrictions are only on IQ tests though; other tests like the math tests that FutureActuary mentioned are never challenged unless they’re really stupid (quizzing people on Dante’s Inferno for a job at Wal-Mart, or expecting people to be good at World of Warcraft to dig ditches or something).</p>

<p>This has been discussed extensively in another thread. The only ‘bubble’ that might ‘burst’ would be the over-arching need on the part of some families to place their kids in the most elite institutions possible, regardless of cost. The student who graduated from NYU with $100K in loans could probably have enrolled in her state’s flagship university at less than half the cost, and there probably would have been merit aid as well for someone accomplished enough to get into NYU. So, that Religious & Women’s Studies degree still might not be worth a lot on the job market, but instead she would have had a much more manageable debt.</p>

<p>Alf, you’re talking about just one rather extreme example. But what about the people that borrowed more conservatively and got a more useful degree, such as engineering, but found that their loans were forced into default and tripled within a few years? There are all kinds of examples like this out there and it underscores the need to break the myth that a college degree is going to guarantee a good job. Sometimes, the economy or life just happen to real people and I’d love to meet the young adult who doesn’t make a single career planning mistake along the way! Consider Alan Collinge’s story, he’s a USC engineering grad who is the founder of StudentLoanJustice.org and author of “The Student Loan Scam”:
[News:</a> ‘The Student Loan Scam’ - Inside Higher Ed](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/05/05/collinge]News:”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/05/05/collinge)</p>

<p>Default rates for both federal and private loans are rising rapidly. While the federal government is making some attempts to curb this through IBR/ICR and loan forgiveness programs, the private student loan industry seems to be trying to mask it by excluding borrowers who have made a single payment in two years from their reported default rate. Meanwhile the damage is done not only to the borrower’s credit, but also that of the cosigner. This is a real problem and it merits serious thought - with well over $700B in student loans outstanding, rapid increases in default rates can quickly turn into an ugly situation for all concerned. Many private lenders have tightened their standards for forbearance and offer this option for only a few months at a time which is not long enough to conduct an effective job search in this economy. After that, the loan goes into default and the penalties and fees can cause the loan to snowball at an alarming rate.</p>

<p>This is an important thread. High-cost universities have an obligation to advise loan applicant students of the costs, and give them data on real-history earnings of graduates in specific majors. For example, is a $100,000 undergraduate loan burden, followed by a $100,000 law school burden reasonable? Often it is. It may take 10 years to pay off, but a lawyer’s earnings will cover it, assuming the student earns very good ug grades and gets into a reputable law school, does well there, and starts out as a $75,000+ associate, and jumps to $150 k+ partnership in his/her early 30s. Similarly for premeds/med students.</p>

<p>It may make sense to take out large loan amounts for some situations where specified public services, such as teaching, can generate quid pro quo loan forgiveness (govt pays the loans off). </p>

<p>It certainly makes sense, in an era of bank bailouts, for student loan interest rates to be lowered, including no interest accrual(govt pays this as a subsidy) during university/grad/professional school attendance. </p>

<p>Individuals in high-priced universities need to be advised, and figure out, before getting mired, “What am I getting into here?” It’s abominable for the universities to say they are doing this for the public good, i.e. admitting working-middle-class students in order to “expand diversity”, and then crush these students with oppressive financial burdens from which there is no escape. </p>

<p>If they can follow Harvard et al’s lead and offer sufficient grants in aid (or grants plus work study) to make attendance possible without loan-taking, this is legitimate. If they lack the endowments to enable this, then they should use means testing for admissions, as a thoughtful, humane-to-applicants measure, or else they should provide counseling to admitted applicants who declare they will need financial aid, before these students make their own final college-choice selections. </p>

<p>Obviously more Pell grant funding, and armed-services scholarship money are in order, but the most return on investment for society can be achieved if recipients go to public universities, i.e. 2-3 public university students for the same cost as 1 private university student.</p>

<p>We are likely going to enter an era where many more students who are admitted to high-priced private colleges, will select flagship public universities, leading to a domino effect where lesser-qualified students who in previous times would have attended the flagships will have to go to ex-teachers college state universities, and students who would in previous times have gone to these state universities will have to go to community colleges. </p>

<p>Sub-elite-tier private universities that lack large endowments will see their enrollments shrink, or else find themselves admitting less-academically-qualified, but more-affluent students in order to maintain current enrollment levels.</p>

<p>There are things we could do. We could revamp public K12 education to train more students to be self-directed learners, which would make more lower-cost online education feasible, we could have 2-year full grant-in-aid and work study plans, with loans substituted for years 3-4, and insist that students choose majors at the end of second year, and stick with them. </p>

<p>High-priced universities can expand transfer opportunities so students who do well in public universities in years 1-2 can save money and then receive private educations for upper-class years. (Lower-class distribution courses are not worth the same $30-40,000 tuition as upper-class discipline/major-specific courses; it’s not altogether unlike being charged a Mercedes 2-year lease price for a Kia.)</p>

<p>Qwerty - actuary is still in the future. The algebra test they give is for most positions though, (from file clerks to some management levels.)</p>