<p>Does anyone know where on the web I might find admissions rates and 25/75 or ave. SAT scores over the past 40 years for Top 20 schools like HYPSM and a few others?</p>
<p>I suspect the admissions rates have gone to about half what they were then, and that SAT scores have risen about 10-15%, but I don’t have any factual basis for those impressions.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>When you make the comparisons, don’t forget that SAT scores were re-centered in 1995: [SAT</a> Equivalence Tables](<a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/data-reports-research/sat/equivalence-tables]SAT”>SAT Suite of Assessments - College Board Research)</p>
<p>I don’t have a link but Northwestern has on its admin site a data set in excel format (very easy to work with) that goes back to about 1980 or so. And yes, during that time, it’s quite easy to see how the SAT scores rose dramatically. I don’t know if that’s a specific school you’re interested in, but the data’s all right there and VERY transparent. It’s also broken out by arts & sciences vs engineering vs journalism vs speech / theater vs music vs education (the 6 undergrad schools).</p>
<p>thanks Pizzagirl, I’ll have a look at that. Are you aware of anything on the web for other schools? My niece is at NU right now, on the soccer team.</p>
<p>Year Univ WCAS Admit%
2007 1421 1436 26.8%
2006 1400 1403 29.6%
2005 1402 1407 29.7%
2004 1399 1408 29.9%
2003 1389 1396 33.3%
2002 1378 1384 32.9%
2001 1381 1389 34.2%
2000 1375 1382 32.8%
1999 1379 1383 32.3%
1998 1376 1369 32.7%
1997 1367 1363 29.4%
1996 1355 1348 31.8%
1995 1348 1341 39.7%
1994 1336 1330 38.7%
1993 1336 1326 42.3%
1992 1325 1316 41.6%
1991 1325 1311 46.6%
1990 1231 1238 46.3%
1989 1230 1230 44.2%
1988 1220 1230 40.3%
1987 1230 1240 39.4%
1986 1220 1230 46.6%
1985 1210 1210<br>
1984 1210 1210<br>
1983 1210 1210<br>
1982 1210 1220<br>
1981 1190 1190<br>
1980 1180 1180<br>
1979 1180 1200<br>
1978 1200 1200<br>
1977 1180 1200</p>
<p>WCAS = Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences
Univ = University Average</p>
<p>Anybody have data for University of Chicago?</p>
<p>Thanks, Sam Lee – the data set I have (and have sent DunninLA) is actually not admittance rates, but SAT scores (both in total and by the individual schools) from roughly 1980 to 2004. I got it off NU’s site in excel form. If you want it, PM me.</p>
<p>Why would you want this data? It’s more depressing than anything else. It only makes you think “Damnit why couldn’t I have been born 20 years earlier?”</p>
<p>Btw, 600th post woot!</p>
<p>Thank you Sam, Pizzagirl… there is something wrong between 1990 and 1991 data… </p>
<p>mrchipmunk90 – no reason to be depressed. One fits where one fits.</p>
<p>Here is a PDF of Swarthmore’s average and median and 25th and 75th percentile SAT scores dating back to 1970. Also of interest, they give the 1995 scores in both recentered and orginal recipe versions so you can see the impact recentering had. Basically, if you take out recentering, nothing really changed all that dramatically:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/administration/ir/SAT.pdf[/url]”>http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/administration/ir/SAT.pdf</a></p>
<p>I suspect the weird 70 point jump in verbal from 1990 to 1991 in those NU data is a result of the recentering the scores for 1991-1995, and forgetting to recenter the scores from 1991 back. </p>
<p>At least that’s my story, and I’m gonna stick with it.</p>
<p>Thank you interested Dad.</p>
<p>Here’s what I’ve learned so far:</p>
<p>To factor for the recentering of Verbal scores in 1996, approx. 65 points can be added to verbal scores from 1995 and prior.</p>
<p>After this recentring is factored in:</p>
<p>NU: …(1977) 1270, (2007) 1420, delta is +150
Swarthmore (1975) 1340, (2007) 1430, delta is +90</p>
<p>Harvard (recentered) Verbal ave. (1952) 583+65=648, (1960) 678+65=738, (2006) 750.
Assuming verbal delta is similar to math delta, 102 x 2 , delta is 204, 1952 - 2007
delta 1960 - 2007 is 12x2 = +24.</p>
<p>I found published Stanford data referencing % of matriculating students above 600 and above 700, but nothing about averages. In any case, I inferred from these data that around 1350 - 1365 (recentered) was the midpoint for 1975. 1440 is the current midpoint, so </p>
<p>Stanford delta 1975 - 2007: +88</p>
<p>I infer from these limited points of data that:</p>
<p>1) Ave. SAT of accepted students to top schools has gone up signicantly over the past 30 or 50 years, and
2) the increase is significantly more dramatic the lower the school is ranked in the Top 30 USNWR schools. IOW, the number of students scoring above 1300 or 1400 is significantly higher than in the past, and this increasing number has to go somewhere other than Harvard or HYPSM or TOp 10, and that the Top 30 schools are currently filled with students who would have likely been admitted to Harvard in 1960.</p>
<p>Stanford’s President in late 2007 noted statistics like these to appeal to the Board to allow for an increase in the number of undergraduates at Stanford. He said, (from memory here), that there are large numbers of applicants who qualify by historic measures for admission to Stanford, that would have been admitted in the past, but are denied now because Stanford simply doesn’t have the space.</p>
<p>Yale back to 1976</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.yale.edu/oir/open/pdf_public/W032_Fresh_SATs.pdf[/url]”>http://www.yale.edu/oir/open/pdf_public/W032_Fresh_SATs.pdf</a></p>
<p>Note that re-centering adjustments applied to aggregate data is problematic. CB stipulates re-centering should be done by applying adjustments to individual scores and then re-aggregating.</p>
<p>Here is the link to the Harvard scores source:</p>
<p>[Abolish</a> the SAT — The American, A Magazine of Ideas](<a href=“http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:0q-A22CvNSMJ:www.american.com/archive/2007/july-august-magazine-contents/abolish-the-sat]Abolish”>http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:0q-A22CvNSMJ:www.american.com/archive/2007/july-august-magazine-contents/abolish-the-sat)</p>
<p>I find it astounding that between 1952 and 1960, Harvard apparently shifted policy to put much more weight on a more meritocratic means of selecting its students… apparently putting much more emphasis on the SAT in its admissions decisions.</p>
<p>Thanks Descartesz, </p>
<p>So then, we have another point:</p>
<p>Northwestern: (1977) 1270, (2007) 1420, delta is +150
Swarthmore… (1975) 1340, (2007) 1430, delta is +90
Harvard.*<em>… (1952) 583+70=653,(2006) 750. delta is +194
Harvard… (1960) 678+60=733, (2006) 750. delta is +34
Stanford… (1975) 1358</em>, (2006) 1445. delta is +88
Yale…(1976) 1350, (2006) 1480. delta is +130</p>
<p>*estimate</p>
<p>** I used the CB conversion table on these verbal… +70 for a 580 score, and +60 for a 680 score.</p>