Hofstra University Attack is a Hoax

[soozievt]

<p>Guess what? I cared about the wrongly accused young LAX players at Duke. I did not do a deed for them. One can support a cause or issue without acting. Otherwise, we stay in our own little worlds and only care about the couple of things we can fit into our daily lives in terms of deeds/actions.</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>Because I looked up statistics and research. And have been following cases of
convicted people going free after new evidence is brought to light. If you look at those
cases, you will see that there was a crime, not a false claim, but that there was fault
in the system. Wanted to make the case, to locked up the most convient guy.</p>

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<p>Actual innocence cases are typically cleared through DNA testing, so yes, there was a crime, or at least there was DNA. In the Duke Lacrosse case, there was DNA but it didn’t belong to the Duke Lacrosse team. One might ask why the DNA of the many people found in and on her body wasn’t analyzed but some people in high places might not like the answers that they’d get.</p>

<p>I think that the false claim cases are more like he-said, she-said where physical
evidence isn’t the issue.</p>

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<p>And if you look at the research, many cases are never reported to the police.
That is a fact you can’t just brush away with snarky little remarks.</p>

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<p>Strawman.</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>BCEagle, on the one hand you call this a “debate” and then on the
other you claim that words don’t matter, only deeds do.</p>

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<p>Because you started talking about “care”. It is not my issue; it is
yours. I’m only responding to you opening up this line of questioning.</p>

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<p>Why are you on a message board? Are only those of us who have done
deeds about false accusations / imprisoned innocent people or deeds
about victims of rape whose attackers are never brought to justice
allowed to discuss the topic? Geez.</p>

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<p>You claim that I don’t care about something and that you do. The
implication is that you are a better person because you care. I’m just
saying that that is rubbish.</p>

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<p>If your main point, is as you claim, “the balancing of the scales of
justice”…then that balance includes concern for the justice of
rape victims whose attackers are never brought to justice, every bit
as much as the concern for justice for those innocently accused or
jailed if innocent. Then, YOU will truly have a valid point about the
BALANCE of the scales of justice. Your posts are ENTIRELY tipping the
scale toward the wrongly accused. Both sides of that scale of justice
matter. Balance matters, as even YOU claim.</p>

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<p>You are mathematically wrong.</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>Guess what? I cared about the wrongly accused young LAX players at Duke. I did not do
a deed for them. One can support a cause or issue without acting. Otherwise, we stay in
our own little worlds and only care about the couple of things we can fit into our daily
lives in terms of deeds/actions.</p>

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<p>I wrote my Federal legislators and contributed to the investigation in reading documents and doing research at KC Johnson’s site and at the Liestopper’s forum and providing some hosting services for documents.</p>

[soozievt]

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You are mathematically wrong.

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<p>Actually, YOU, BCEagle, are mathematically wrong, because there are more rapists who go free than innocently accused rapists sitting in jail. </p>

<p>The injustice that you are fighting for (one I also think is important and have said so), is already tipped on the scale because the issue of guilty rapists who are free is much greater than innocent ones who are locked up.</p>

<p>Re: post 144…my applause.</p>

<p>I suppose you won’t be putting any good deeds into action for the victims of rape anytime soon? You even asked me what rights victims have. Obviously this cause is not on your radar. Then, again, I forgot, you termed it a “feminist issue” and I think you are male, right? Sorry, this is not worthy of your good deeds.</p>

<p>Others can at least acknowledge that the cause of both matter. I haven’t seen you do that and that is quite telling, even though you claim to care about the balance of the scales of justice.</p>

[soozievt]

<p>BCEagle…why are you engaging in “debate” as you call it, here in the first place? You say that only good deeds matter and not words. Why are you wasting any time with words?</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>Actually, YOU, BCEagle, are mathematically wrong, because there are
more rapists who go free than innocently accused rapists sitting in
jail.</p>

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<p>: Over time, Justice became associated with scales to represent
: impartiality and a sword to symbolize power. During the 16th century,
: Justice was often portrayed with a blindfold. The origin of the
: blindfold is unclear, but it seems to have been added to indicate the
: tolerance of, or ignorance to, abuse of the law by the judicial
: system. Today, the blindfold is generally accepted as a symbol of
: impartiality, but may be used to signify these other traits in
: political cartoons.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.supremecourtus.gov/about/figuresofjustice.pdf[/url]”>http://www.supremecourtus.gov/about/figuresofjustice.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>You are weighing the wrong things.</p>

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<p>I suppose you won’t be putting any good deeds into action for the
victims of rape anytime soon? You even asked me what rights victims
have. Obviously this cause is not on your radar. Then, again, I
forgot, you termed it a “feminist issue” and I think you are male,
right? Sorry, this is not worthy of your good deeds.</p>

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<p>Strawman.</p>

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<p>Others can at least acknowledge that the cause of both matter. I
haven’t seen you do that and that is quite telling, even though you
claim to care about the balance of the scales of justice.</p>

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<p>Yes, you care.</p>

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<p>BCEagle…why are you engaging in “debate” as you call it, here in
the first place? You say that only good deeds matter and not
words. Why are you wasting any time with words?</p>

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<p>This is in the context of caring which you brought up.</p>

[soozievt]

<p>BCEagle,
regarding any crimes…
Do you believe more truly guilty people are in jail or more innocent defendants are in jail?</p>

<p>regarding rapes…
Do you believe more guilty rapists are free (either not reported or not convicted or sentenced) or more innocent but accused rapists are in jail?</p>

<p>Also…
Do you feel any concern about victims of rape and the fact that so few who committed the rape land in jail?</p>

<p>Lastly…
Do you believe that the issue of real sexual assaults against women (not the false accusations) and that the victims of rapes have rights that need protection?</p>

[mam1959]

<p>cartera - you are simply wrong about the lacrosse hooligan culture at Duke. Were they perfect? No. But by and large their conduct was a heckuva a lot better than with most Division 1 football teams - not even a close call. </p>

<p>I know it is easy to absorb this narrative but if you have played top level Division 1 sports, it is fairly easy to get an accurate grip on what hooligan culture is. Although most are not great students, unlike most Division 1 football players, the Duke lacrosse players were actual students that belonged in college and their antics were a far, far cry from what one would see with a typical SEC football team. </p>

<p>And one of the accused Reade Seligman (who wasn’t at the party when the alleged events occurred) is as good of student athlete as one could want. It is no accident he transferred to Brown. </p>

<p>What the Duke Lacrosse issue brought out was black racism. Yes, it exists, and like all racism, it ends up hurting the racists who practice it.</p>

[poetgrl]

<p>BCEagle–If your point is that the police should not rush to make an arrest in these cases and should fully investigate and be certain they have the guilty party? I agree completely.</p>

<p>It helps no one, including the victims of real crime when police rush to make an arrest.</p>

[BCEagle91]

<p>The Hofstra freshman whose wild tale of a bathroom gang-rape landed four men behind bars until she recanted learned yesterday she can avoid charges in exchange for undergoing psychiatric treatment and doing community service.</p>

<p>Yesterday, Ndonye’s lawyer, Bruce Barket, said, “She is looking forward to moving on past these two weeks . . . The matter is cleared up. People can move on and begin to heal.”</p>

<p>[‘Cry</a> rape’ gal getting a pass](<a href=“http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cry_rape_gal_getting_pass_vCMStqu7wzImJG4QS7aXKLhttp://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cry_rape_gal_getting_pass_vCMStqu7wzImJG4QS7aXKL]'Cry”>‘Cry rape’ gal getting a pass)</p>

[poetgrl]

<p>Well, at this point, we’re just going to get into “sentencing” issues. And, given that sentencing in this country lacks any logical sense in so many areas, the fact that she will get treatment and do 250 hours of community service which is the equivalent of 10 days and nights…is just going to have to be okay. Nothing she can do is going to change what happened to those boys, anyway, much the way nothing any criminal does can change what happens to the victims.</p>