Holistic admission @ UFL.

<p>Please hear me out and think.</p>

<p>The “ENTIRE” US population is approximately 80 % white vs. 20% black, a ratio of 5 to 1.
"APPROXIMATELY" in the entire US, 90 % of seniors applying to strictly regular 4 year colleges such as UFL are white and 10% are black, EXCLUDING community colleges, trade schools, military, etc. On average, the “average” white family makes more money than the average black family.
On “average”, the average SAT/ACT scores & overall average GPA are higher for whites than for blacks, (see the SAT/ACT scales). Based solely on percentages, a typical 4 year college such as UFL will have a freshman class of significantly more white kids than black kids. In order to “help out” disadvantaged kids, UFL will use a holistic admission approach to allow more disadvantaged kids an opportunity to gain admission that if based solely on academics would otherwise not gain admission into UFL. In my opinion, in order that the holistic admissions approach used by UFL and other colleges are not challenged in court as reverse discrimination, UFL will allow a certain amount of white freshman applicants an opportunity to attend UFL that if based solely on their academic record would never gain admission. Some think that the holistic approach is a great idea and some think that the holistic admission approach is reverse discrimination.
This is why some kids are entering UFL with marginal academic stats.</p>

<p>Bro, your post is about affirmative action not holistic admission. </p>

<p>UFL doesn’t take race into account during the admissions process. You’re saying that all the people admitted with marginal stats are minorities? Yea, ok. </p>

<p>You’ve lost whatever respect I had left for you as a poster by showing that you’re not well-informed and don’t know anything about the UF admissions process other than statistics that the website tells you, and you skew those as well.</p>

<p>Interesting facts…Not white (80%)…Not African American (20%)…Know I am a US citizen, pay taxes, votes…what % am I?</p>

<p>[Fast</a> Facts](<a href=“http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98]Fast”>Fast Facts: Enrollment (98))</p>

<p>The percentage of American college students who are Hispanic, Asian/Pacific Islander, and Black has been increasing. From 1976 to 2010, the percentage of Hispanic students rose from 3 percent to 13 percent, the percentage of Asian/Pacific Islander students rose from 2 percent to 6 percent, and the percentage of Black students rose from 9 percent to 14 percent. During the same period, the percentage of White students fell from 83 percent to 61 percent. Race/ethnicity is not reported for nonresident aliens, who made up 2 percent and 3 percent of total enrollment in 1976 and 2010, respectively.</p>

<p>“ You’re saying that all the people admitted with marginal stats are minorities? Yea, ok”</p>

<p>No, I am not saying that, I am saying that many minorities including blacks and hispanics and others are assisted by the holistic application process. I am also saying that non-minorities are also assisted by the holistic application process that if based solely on their academic history, they also would never be offered admission.</p>

<p>That is not what you said in previous post. You said</p>

<p>“white, blue-eyed academically superior students”</p>

<p>I’m going to say this, and I’d like you to read it carefully. </p>

<p>RACE is NOT even CONSIDERED at any point during the holistic admissions process. Therefore, your entire argument is invalid.</p>


I had little respect for 47 because of how they rant and speculate across various college forums. </p>

<p>47, stop being bitter and speaking negatively about “minorities”. It’s obvious you feel some sort of hatred or detestment against (I’m not saying black people…) minorities getting into college. UFL doesn’t look at race. Accept it. Move on.</p>


What’s wrong with a holistic approach. Would you want the college to be based soley off of standardize tests scores and numbers? Numbers aren’t what make up the student, 47. UFL realizes this.</p>

<p>Ummm…ilovethe47, YET AGAIN you come with speculation and speculation and more speculation. What you need to understand is UF looks for character, for personality. They look for those who they think can be leaders and innovators in society. This is why there is HOLISTIC admissions.</p>

<p>You literally stated in your post that white students are superior to everyone else and that all non-whites are holistically reviewed so that they have a “chance” compared to white students. Look, I’m sorry but that not only sounds pretty discriminating, it sounds bizarre. Your last 3 sentences in the OP is yet another showcase of more speculation.</p>

<p>Start getting more knowledgeable, you KEEP relying on this speculation and the idea that “it’s all about the numbers” and you almost seem to think that admissions officers lie and/or you know better than them.</p>

<p>To be honest, this makes sense. I think the 80% to 20% is a direct ratio (It means it doesn’t include other races).</p>

<p>Also noticed : Its 4:1 not 5:1.</p>

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<p>I wouldn’t agree GatorPhysics; there are different types of admissions. There’s rolling, where applicants are admitted until spaces are filled; it can be done via like a numbers game or a light holistic approach. USF is a school that doesn’t have holistics admissions, at least not a strong sense of it; they have like a chart that shows who can get accepted, what term, what circumstances etc. It’s on their website if I’m not mistaken. Penn State University basis 2/3rds of their decision off your GPA, at least from when I last read up on their process. That is HUGE, and shows Penn State doesn’t have a holistic process. Schools that do a holistic approach usually try to look for a certain “type” of student; they look at the applications given by students and try to piece together if that student is who they are looking for. UF does this, they’re looking for leaders, higher leveled thinkers, and innovators. </p>

<p>I do think holistic admissions is starting to be done by more and more schools as time passes on. There are still MANY schools with rolling admissions, I’d actually say that might be the process the majority of schools use (this is speculation on my part however).</p>

<p>@CORNandTOOTHPICK: How does this make sense? I mean I haven’t even mentioned the part in this thread where no sources have been provided, but that’s because something even more illogical stood out: ilovethe47 ONLY mentions blacks and whites in the OP with that ratio. I did a quick google search trying to find SOMETHING regarding the ratio and couldn’t find anything. If there’s a source, I’d like to see it, but even then it’d still be illogical because non-blacks and non-whites are taken into account. Furthermore, the first post is just absolute speculation. Oh yeah sure, it’s “written well” and “sounds nice/possibly sensible” but the fact of the matter is, it’s not factual; it’s speculation, guessing, fabrication. Nothing more, that’s exactly why this doesn’t make sense. It’s not bad to speculate, it means we are thinking but to try to put out speculation as fact doesn’t make sense.</p>

<p>@ Sabertooth</p>

<p>I agree, my post reflects my view of the campus population.</p>

<p>Also I’m just correcting the ratio.</p>