homosexuality- born that way or choose to be that way?

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<p>why can’t your opinions be portrayed as bigotted? the nazis opinions are bigotted, and so are the kkk’s. those opinions are hateful, much more than yours, but nonetheless still discriminatory.</p>

<p>sure, homosexuality isn’t exactly the norm, and it’s definitely not mainstream, but i think that i should be able to live my life in peace and comfort knowing that i can love who i want to love. there are more gay people than you might think, some of them just aren’t open enough to admit it. and just to fill you in, not all gay people parade around in sparkly multicolored outfits. so i don’t know why straight people get so intimidated, it’s not like we’re attracted to every man/woman we see. trust me, chances are i’m pickier than you are.</p>

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<p>I love it when people who are prejudiced play the victim card.</p>

<p>“What?! How dare gay people portray me as a bigot just because I despise their existence!”</p>

<p>It’s like no one can just step up and admit to being a bigot anymore like the old days when gays could be beaten and bloodied without anyone stepping in and helping them.</p>

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<p>i pity your ignorance.</p>

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have fun.</p>

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<p>that pic was effffed up…</p>

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<p>Yeah it is.</p>

<p>So was ICrisis’ comment.</p>

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<p>I think you misunderstood him…or maybe i did…but i think you did…</p>

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<p>Ummm, no, I don’t think I misunderstood him.</p>

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<p>alright can you explain what he or she meant then? Because im confused…maybe im just dumb :(</p>

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<p>what’s so difficult to understand? he is resentful that people can’t stand up and display their homophobia through violence without being labelled as bigots.</p>

<p>hm. i don’t see the logic behind that.</p>

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<p>Yep, that’s right! Obviously, homosexual marriage will lead to marriage between species. Perfect logic. Remember that commercial about the Eggo Waffles? </p>

<p>“I love my eggo.”
“So why don’t you marry it.”
“Maybe I will…”</p>

<p>That might become reality! </p>

<p>The only problem is, most of the weddings won’t work because the horse will eat the ring, the dog will eat the cake, and the husband will eat the wife. </p>

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<p>Yeah, according to this quote, you have to “experiment.” So, go have sex with men and women. Then, you’ll know which one you like. :slight_smile: </p>

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<p>lol. hahaha. Yeah! That’s why they want to marry! hahaha.</p>

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<p>Is that his first post? Oh, I think he was being sarcastic. lol. (I should know)</p>

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<p>So he became homosexual because it’s more challenging? Well, if that’s how it works, then he’ll probably start having sex with horses soon! </p>

<p>Horses

  • are hard to make fall in love with you. (very hard)
  • are more “beautiful and lovely” than humans
  • know “how to pretend to be sophisticated”
  • don’t “act too shallow.”
  • don’t give you too much attention. So they won’t be annoying!</p>
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<p>I will say that while I do think being gay is ultimately something you’re born as, I do think many social manifestations are bore out of defiance and envelope-pushing just to see what they can and can’t get away with. Even in terms of gay marriage, the majority of what gays want can be gotten through a living will and power of attorney. People mention tax breaks, but they don’t realize, most of the tax breaks married people get really won’t help them economically. Not that they would hurt, per se, but it’s not like straight married couples are living the good life while gay couples live impoverished. And many of these so-called “tax breaks” are based on the idea that married couples will have children, thus they will need more of their money to provide for them. Gay people, on average, don’t have children, so they wouldn’t need them in the same way straight couples would. I know that does them no favors, but it’s not the same as people just withholding tax breaks because gay people are icky. There’s a legitimate reason behind it.</p>

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<p>Oh sorry ICrisis, I didn’t realize you were being sarcastic.
That kind of shocked me, but now I get it.</p>

<p>:S</p>

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<p>I alway get mixed between the two jacks and jason…tooo many J’s!</p>

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<p>Hi, I’ve been reading this thread it I thought it was quite interesting so I just joined CC. There seems to be so much arguing and hate (which is very depressing) yet at the same time a lot of strong arguments. I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I do not wish to argue. I am not trying to force my opinions just trying to share objective scientific information and shed light on the subject. I am quite confident that I know more about the biological reasons that an individual would be homosexual than any one else here. I know that sounds pompous but I have huge binders on the subject that have been highlighted on so much there’s barely any white left on the paper (lol I swear I really am that much of a nerd!). I guess you could say that I am obsessed. I will try to give you as much info in the time I have but I can’t give to much because I g2g study for my really, really, scary exams… also I probably won’t have any time to post links but I can try to come back later and give them to you if you want them…</p>

<p>OK enough jiber jaber-here is “da break-down”:</p>

<p>Most well respected researchers in the modern scientific community that study gender difference and associated phenomenon believe that homosexuality is in fact not fully genetic but still something you are born with. They believe that it has more to do with excess or lack of prenatal androgens (the male hormones a fetus gets). Part of the reason why we are almost sure that it is not entirely genetic is because it is not incredibly uncommon for two identical twins to be born with different sexual orientations, however at the same time we know that fraternal twins are more likely to both be homosexual if one is. Also, if identical twins are born with different orientations the one that is gay will usually weigh less. This all suggest that the cause is influenced by genetics (I believe most current studies say the most likely spot is on the 8th chromosome and several others which I can’t recall off the top of my head) but determined also by another pre-birth factor. This is where those prenatal androgens come into play. The physical differences of a homosexual could easily be contributed to prenatal androgen levels. If you’re all like “well just hold your horses there, mister! I knos darn well da gays and straits are physically the same!” which is probably like a lot of people who are reading this… any way I am speaking on statistical averages, nothing here is black and white nor is it concrete (most researches will say that the work was not definitive even when it is statistically significant at the .05 level(that’s considered pretty significant in the scientific community.) I think this is due to the controversy surrounding the subject but that’s jus an opinion… ). </p>

<p>Oops got side tracked… ok let’s see…</p>

<p>Ooo ya I remember now! Ok some of the physical differences would be as follows:</p>

<p>Larger hypothalamus
Larger Corpus callosum
Higher levels of testosterone
Larger genitalia
Abnormal reactions to artificial hormones
2D:4D ratios (your pointer finger compared to your ring)
A higher chance of being left handed (linked to larger Corpus callosum)</p>

<p>These aren’t even all just some of the most relevant ones, also remember these are just statistical likely hoods so just because your finger length ratio is either hyper feminized or masculinized it doesn’t mean that your gay, It just means you are statistically more likely to be gay. It may seem ridiculous to think that gay men have different finger length ratios than straight men but it has been a well established indicator of prenatal hormone levels for quite some time.
One more interesting point I would like to make is that while much of a homosexual man’s body is hyper-masculinized it seems that the part of brain that isn’t hyper-masculinized functions in a way very similarly to a female brain. Many studies show that homosexual men tend to exhibit spatial navigation patterns more similar to the average female than to the average male…</p>

<p>I have so much more information I like to share with you guys but like I said I g2g go cram for finals. I will probably be back to share more later on. </p>

<p>Oh one last thing, this is supposed to be a college site right? Well, I was wondering if any one knew which colleges were friendlier towards homosexuals. I am pretty discrete about it but would like to find a place where I can fell safe…</p>

<p>Thanks for listening.</p>

<p>I wish you all a super happy hyper-awesome day!</p>

<p>=^.^= xzxzQ =^.^=</p>

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<p>I highly suggest that if you want to learn about what determines sexuality, you read into that of Judith Butler. I don’t really have time to discuss it, but check it out, she provides a great explanation.</p>

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<p>big time feminist…</p>

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<p>She isn’t just a feminist, she’s huge on queer studies & psychoanalytic criticism as well.</p>

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<p>kind of like my former source that everybody rejected because he wrote a book about the bible…</p>

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<p>I respect her just like I respect all philosophy and philosophers but I think the majority of her stuff comes from opinions and maybes which are not as concrete as fact. I’m not saying that she is wrong or even that I disagree with her. All I am trying to say is that I don’t think her work should be viewed as scientific fact.</p>