Hoodies in summer

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<p>Allowing kids to wear their hoods up or any type of hat during school or while eating at restaurants is simply wrong.</p>

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<p>The OP was criticizing African American parents for permitting their kids to wear hoodies bc of “realities”. Not all kids. Reread OP’s original post and found it even more offensive.</p>

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<p>Myturnnow,</p>

<p>Is the “you” in the second paragraph still me? If so I would like to clarify, I do feel my son needs to be aware of the impact that racism has on how people see him. He needs to recognize that other people may feel afraid or suspicious or angry towards him because of their own bias, and understand how his own choices about what he wears and how he styles his hair and how he talks and moves impact people’s perception of him. That doesn’t mean I expect him to acclimate his behavior to other people’s hate but understanding and predicting people’s reactions can help him make choices that.are right.for him.</p>

<p>To further the analogy of rape victims, if I had a daughter instead of a son, I would teach her that she was beautiful and deserved to wear whatever makes her feel comfortable and confident. If she was the victim if sexual harassment or violence that it was through no fault of her own. But I would also teach her that world can be a dangerous place for young women and that.sometimes the safe choice is to walk the long way home if its along well lit streets, or to ask a friend to walk you to your car after a late night study session at the library or even to choose more conservative dress in situations where the risks are particularly pronounced.</p>

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<p>We also live in Florida where hoodies (grey,blue,black zip up sweathirts with hoods) are the uniform in high school. My son wore his everyday for all four years. The school ac is freezing and the weather changes here without warning. We never gave it a second thought, for him or his diverse group of HS friends until the Trayvon case.</p>

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<p>It is interesting going back to the opening post about “intentionally stirring the pot” RE hoodies in suburbia. Way back in ancient times when I attended HS in suburbia, intentionally stirring the pot involved red tartan pants, Doc Marten’s or converse with spikes and art added, a bit of leather if you had it and maybe a Ramones or DK t-shirt. However, there were 2 distinct differences: We were “stirring the pot” by wearing things that others in our milieu weren’t wearing day to day and I’m pretty sure that it was understood by all that we were essentially posers. In other words: We were not assumed to be thugs by being who we were naturally in the standard teen uniform and because of who we were naturally even in the overt uniform of thugs we were not treated as such.</p>

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<p>curiousjane—sorry, no, the you in my second paragraph was to the OP.</p>

<p>I agree that as parents we need to teach our kids about how racism affects interaction…but I don’t think that kids should not wear hoodies. This is what Geraldo Rivera stated and I personally disagreed and found it a form of victim blaming. But certainly, overall behavior, action and clothing all together needs to be understood.</p>

<p>I completely agree with your statements about how to teach a daughter as well. I have taught my college aged d, about personal safety, ie. walking alone at night, but at the same time they need to know they are not responsible for another’s inappropriate behavior and should not be blamed.</p>

<p>it just distresses me to think that our focus after Trayvon’s killing would be on hoodies, but I certainly see the larger and more complex picture as a parent…</p>

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<p>Why? It’s perfectly common around here- for people of all ages. Not at fancy or upscale restaurants, but they’re few and far between where I’m from. At school, they’re pretty common, too. Especially considering that we had to walk from building to building when I was in high school. In the winter, it’s much easier to just leave the winter hat on than to try to fix your hair 6 times a day.</p>

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<p>Post #65 expresses perfectly what I feel about this issue. There is no need to bow to racism, but there is nothing to be gained from needlessly fanning the flames either–merely because you want to assert that you can wear whatever you want. If my son were white, I also wouldn’t allow him to wear one of those hoodies with the hood up to school. But my husband and kids aren’t white, they’re dark skinned. So you all can stop with the unfounded accusations that I’m racist. The reason we don’t ever move past racial issues in this country is because it’s impossible to have a civil discourse without people throwing out accusations of prejudice. Research for yourselves the origin of some of the clothing styles I’ve referred to and you’ll see how they were meant to mimic prison clothing. So it’s not as though this feeling that the look is thuggish has been pulled out of racist thin air.</p>

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<p>I love hoodies. Buy them at Target in every color of the rainbow. Year round I wear them when at home because I’m always a little chilly. </p>

<p>But the big deal is the putting on the hood of the hoodie and putting one’s face in shadow. I think people interpret this as someone planning to do something illegal and wanting to disguise their identity. I kind of get that people find that a little creepy. </p>

<p>But mostly, I don’t like to see young people so slavish to a certain fashion look.</p>

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<p>SOME people. Not “people”. SOME people.</p>

<p>And even if they do… only a nutcase is going to do something about it. And if they’re a loose cannon, the hoodie may not be the only thing that could set them off.</p>

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<p>^ Well, duh. </p>

<p>Seriously, is this about the Martin case? Can people get a grip finally?</p>

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<p>What is necessarily wrong with wearing a [url=<a href=“http://irvingblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/10/aclu-reminds-irving-isd-to-all.html]hat[/url”>http://irvingblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/10/aclu-reminds-irving-isd-to-all.html]hat[/url</a>] in school or in a restaurant?</p>

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<p>People of darker color can be racist against white people, people of other colors, or even their own race. [Some</a> have found that the predominantly South Asian and African immigrant taxi drivers in New York are not very willing to pick up black people hailing them.](<a href=“http://www.math.buffalo.edu/~sww/circle/raceprofiling/rf-educated.html]Some”>Educated To Think Black People Are Dangerous)</p>

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<p>is this post series?</p>

<p>some of the posters in this thread need to check out a college bookstore… I guarantee you some of their best sellers are hoodies.</p>

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<p>I still want to know WHY it’s wrong. I’ve never been told that before. It’s not the norm around these parts.</p>

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<p>“I take it he is not fast?”</p>

<p>Actually he IS sort of fast…but not faster than a bullet. Not even Usain is THAT fast!</p>

<p>Irie! in Jamaica.</p>

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<p>Yes that is what I was going to say - the color of your skin, has nothing to do with how racist you are, just as being a woman doesn’t make you a feminist.</p>

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<p>GFG,</p>

<p>I’m perplexed by the fact that you feel that my post (65) expresses your feelings, when you seem to feel the opposite of how I feel. I feel very strongly that asking my child to adapt his style of dress to accommodate other people’s racism is bowing down to them. While I do recognize that there might be a few isolated circumstances where that makes sense, I’ll be damned if my child’s school is going to be one of them. </p>

<p>I also wanted to respond specifically to this part of your comment:</p>

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<p>This kind of thinking is some of the most insidious threads of racism running through our society right now. Why? Because it shuts down conversations about race and racism, and when people don’t notice, and name, and talk about a problem, that problem is going to persist and grow. Racism is a complex, confusing problem, and unless people come together to identify it, and talk about it, and address it head on it will continue to thrive in this country.</p>

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<p>Romanigypsyeyes, it’s generally considered poor manners to wear a hat indoors unless it is religious garb of some sort. That’s a pretty basic etiquette rule, whether your crowd has heard it or not.</p>