How bad is Bush?

<p>kluge</p>

<p>I take it you are a hard core "Kennedy or Kerry type of democrat.
Personally, I am neither Democrat or Republican. I’m sorry if it bothers you but I believe a good majority of people in this country blame anyone but themselves for the situations they are in. If we rely on the government for everything, then it stands to reason that we can blame them for everything as well.</p>

<p>Are you against the rich being rich or just against them not paying an even larger % of their income to the federal government.
Personally, I think the worst place to give money is to the Feds and expect them to be fiscally responsible for it. It doesn’t make a difference if they are democrat or republican, they will both use the money to pander to a group of people to buy votes.
Let the rich keep their money (and I underscore their) and jobs are created (a poor person rarely hires anyone) and investments are made.
As for the poor getting poorer, Do you really think the democrats want them to be anything but poor? Don’t you think they want to keep promising them government entitlements to buy their votes?
You quoted me but didn’t comment:
Do you have a hard time giving money to people who have luxuries that some middle class folks don’t have?</p>

<p>Bet I get some more comments :)</p>

<p>Clinton’s Family Leave Act is one of the most popular social programs in recent years. A revolutionary idea - gee, people who have babies or dying relatives OUGHT to be able to take care of them at least for a few weeks without fear of losing their jobs…</p>

<p>“A revolutionary idea”</p>

<p>as much as any of the 1950-1970 social(istic) measures implemented in Europe. The test is how expensive they turned out to be when considering insignificant factors such as rampant unemployment and deficits per capita. There is nothing wrong with great social programs, but one has to realize that the costs are higher than first expected for companies, and that the reaction of companies is to negotiate by … terminating the employment or outsourcing it abroad.</p>

<p>sorry xiggi, there is NO WAY you can convince me FLA is a bad idea. We are more than cogs in a capitalist system. We are people. We have babies and we have dying relatives and we have responsibilities to them as humans. FLA is an important first step in recognizing that fact.</p>

<p>katliamom</p>

<p>I agree, it seems to be a great system, I work with some people who have used it and it is nice to kno wthat they have a job to return to.
Am I right and saying that there is a minimum number of employees that a company has to have for the FLA to apply? I could see how a small company might experience more than a little inconvenience if it were applied to them.
I work for an employer with 1500 employees and although it was a little hard, we made due with temps just fine. Besides knowing were getting our employee back gave us something to look forward to.</p>

<p>Bush has squandered most of the world’s good feelings toward America, and if the Iraq war of choice widens to neighboring countries like Iran and Pakistan, we will be bogged down for the next twenty years.</p>

<p>I went to a movie with my home-on-spring-break son the other night. It was “Host,” billed as a combination “Jaws” and “Little Miss Sunshine,” a Korean movie about a dysfunctional family that confronts a river monster. Well, it was really just a monster movie IMHO, but I am glad I went because the movie portrayed Americans in an interesting way. The several Americans in the film were either dictatorial or diabolical; kind of like the stock portrayal of German scientists over the years, which we generally chuckle and accept. It was truly striking, especially coming from a country that, to my knowledge, has no special, recent reason to dislike us.</p>

<p>Bush got many votes in 2000 because his campaign was able to convince us that he was a fun, relaxed guy and that Al Gore was a boring, stuffed shirt. This is a plea to look at substance rather than personalities in the upcoming presidential race. Let’s talk about voting records, political philosophies, let’s think about who might be the best person in office if another 9/11 type disaster should occur, God forbid. There is too much talk about how candidates come across on television, too much “I don’t like him/her” based solely on soundbites, outfits and gaffes. The next election will be crucial for our country’s future.</p>

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<p>That sounds pretty good to me about right now. After voting for Bush in the last election, I guarantee that I will be paying particular attention to electing a President who won’t screw things up too badly.</p>

<p>All Clinton had to do was to keep Little Willie in his pants for those 8 years and he would have been remembered as a great President. Coulda hit the lecture circuit and been hailed as demi-god by many. Prolly could have been re-elected later…</p>

<p>Bush, love or hate him, has a definite agenda and is trying his best to promote it.</p>

<p>FWIW, I vote Libertarian.</p>

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<p>The same good feelings that culminated in the 9/11 attack? Aren’t you a bit confused when looking at the calendar? If there was a time when the United States had a very small amount of goodwill it was in the middle of Bush Senior term. From there on, it has gone downhill fast. It would be entirely delusional to believe goodwill was developed or even maintained after 1992 when the United States COMPLETELY turned its back on its international policies. Clinton ran on an insular policy and stuck to his guns. It was not until he become caught in the loose zipper saga that he sought salvation of his problems by turning his attention to the international affairs. In the meantime, he allowed some of the absolute worst (and criminal) politicians to dictate our international policies.</p>

<p>Do you really think Al-Qaeda and similar groups started to hate the Western world because Bush moved from one capital city to another? Were the attacks on Americans in Lebanon and other countries “acts of love?” Did the Iraqis love us from imposing merciless sanctions and participate in an abject and spineless genocide of their children? How well received was Mrs Albright message that the death of 500,000 children was worth the price? Again, please consult a calendar and track the advent and development of Al-Qaeda to its correct timeframe. The same timeframe where the people who were supposed to protect our interests and … life were too busy dealing with marital and other scandalous issues. </p>

<p>The world outside the US has long known that the US mostly care about itself and its commercial interests, and few president extolled that “virtue” more than your beloved Bill. Under his leadership, we turned our backs to the world and ignored all warnings of potential attacks on the US. We will pay the price of “our” ignorance for a long time. </p>

<p>The loss of goodwill towards the United States is nothing but a giant canard!</p>

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<p>Katliamom, I wasn’t saying it is a bad idea. I only pointed out it was not a novel idea and that it comes at a price our society has shown unwilling to shoulder. Our country loves to pay as little as possible in direct taxes, and the evidence from other countries is that extended social programs require a much higher taxation that our country is willing to accept. We may look at the 35 hours/week work and 7 weeks vacations, socialized medecine, and almost free education in Europe with glee and envy, but we also have to look at the unemployment rates and taxation imposed on the middle class. </p>

<p>Yesterday, I was reading a french forum where they discussed the latest numbers on poverty in the United States. One comical comment was that the US better be careful that soon its poor might sink as low as the middle class in France. The author of the comment pointed out the income of close to 20,000 and percentage of home owners among the US poor. The grass is always greener somewhere else! :D</p>

<p>xiggi - sorry, I clearly misunderstood your earlier post, thanks for the clarification. Funny thing about FLA is it doesn’t cost employers - the leave is without pay, and in a huge percentage of cases existing employees pick up the slack of the person on leave without the need to hire a replacement. And I of course was being sarcastic about the ‘revolutionary’ part. How a nation as rich as this one did not have anything akin to FLA is beyond me. But then, I lived many years in Europe, so I’m clearly not thinking like an American…</p>

<p>"FLA is it doesn’t cost employers " Not true, there is a cost. An EE does not go on Cobra in these situations and the employer is expected to continue benefits for employee on leave. There is a cost, it is not free. </p>

<p>While I don’t disagree with the idea of the fmla, it does come with a cost to employers.</p>

<p>Point taken Opie. I forgot about the benefits. Clearly, I’m not an employer :)</p>

<p>Al Neuharth’s View</p>

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<p>HISTORY BOOKS</p>

<p>Whatever partisan debates happen on CC, the greatest odds are with George W. Bush being seen by historians as being one of the worst presidents ever and Clinton being considered middling – neither great nor awful. </p>

<p>I think Bush’s presidency will be viewed through the following prism, probably chiefly:</p>

<p>"Often, they say, it’s the times that make the man. George Bush presided over the post-9/11 era, a time when many for quite awhile were inclined to rally around him and, when doubts may have existed, given him the benefit of those. </p>

<p>Had he met the very difficult challenge of what the rise of Islamic fundamentalist-driven terrorism meant for the US and the world with a well thought out and multi-pronged approach that was perhaps reminiscent of the Cold War in the scope and the multifaceted strategies of those eras, he could well have been thought of the architect of US’ post 9/11 era national security regime, much like Harry Truman’s Administration was following WWII.</p>

<p>Instead of seizing this moment where so much was at stake and where he was granted so much credence by the people of the US, he embarked on a war that some at the time, and increasingly many over its course, considered to be unnecessary and diversionary. </p>

<p>It should be noted that it is true also many did view the war initially as worthy; many believed the president in his argument for war and, driven partly by an effort to rally around the president in unity following the shocking 9/11 attacks, the Congress voted overwhelmingly to support it. </p>

<p>Likewise it should be noted that many were just confused regarding the purposes of our going to war, since the rationale for the war was shifting (sometimes to promote democracy, other times to stave off the development of Iraq’s nuclear weapons program) as well as actively misleading (there were strong ties between Saddam and Osama).</p>

<p>Whatever one believes regarding the rightness of the Iraq War, though, Bush Jr.'s Administration was thought to have demonstrated carelessness and incompetence with regard to the prosecution of the war. Much more quickly than prudence dictated, President Bush appeared before a banner celebrating the winning of the Iraq War (Mission Accomplished). Calls by important generals for more troops to be used in Iraq from the beginning of the conflict had been actively ignored by the headstrong Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and others in the Bush Administration. Numerous tactical mistakes were made including blanket de-Baathification of the country’s army and government, lack of securing porous borders with Iran and Syria, and so on.</p>

<p>Though he was re-elected for a second term… [you get the picture]</p>

<p>And difficulties on the war prosecution front were met by corresponding instances where he was seen to have failed on the domestic front: Katrina, spiraling budget defecits, etc. [you get the picture].</p>

<p>By the end of his presidency, Bush’s approval ratings among the American people rivaled those of Richard Nixon…[you get the picture]."</p>

<p>History tends to write large the successes and failures of presidents when they occur during monumental times. Clinton did not have his presidency in monumental times. Bush did – and he’s failed the test. He’s one of the worst we’ve ever had.</p>

<p>The squandered good feelings are not those of the Islamists and their sympathizers. They belong to our allies, would-be allies, and should-be allies. The preponderant view is that Bush is effing crazy. Hard to argue with that. I know many Americans in Europe who are giving scratch Government 101 classes to perplexed Europeans who don’t understand how Bush can sustain power if he is so widely loathed; in many cases, it’s a revelation that even among Americans he’s widely loathed.</p>

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<p>Sadly, yes. The power we yielded through squandering these good feelings is what Harvard’s Joseph Nye calls “soft power” – roughly speaking, the power to persuade our allies, would-be allies, and should-be allies to move in a direction we suggest. Through only asserting the hard power of the military, and paying no mind at all to soft power, we have ironically lost much power.</p>

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<p>Well, after all, we re-elected him in 2004.</p>

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<p>Too much binge drinking in college. He must have been a real piece of work when he was sauced.</p>

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<p>That could be true or … untrue. Here’s is another reality. The same so-called allies would have a very similar attitude towards the US regardless of who is in the White House. There is little difference between being despised for our actions or for our moral fabric. We are either hated or ridiculed. Pick your poison!</p>

<p>A nice, elegant theory. But it doesn’t explain why regard for the USA has declined under Bush as measured in longitudinal surveys.</p>