<p>Is Bush is the Worst Two-term president since US Grant?</p>
<p>Well, at least since Clinton. ;)</p>
<p>Clinton eats Bush up and craps him out. Not even a fair fight.</p>
<p>Seriously- Has there been an Administration that finished its two terms that has been less successful than Bush?</p>
<p>I know of no president who has produced more immiseration in the Third World, more global environmental degradation, or more civilian and child deaths abroad in the service of foreign and military policy goals than Bill Clinton. We will be paying the price for a very long time.</p>
<p>I think George Bush is the worst president in the history of the United States, and contrary to Mini, think we will be paying (literally) the price for the errors of his administration’s ways for decades, if not forever (OK, I am a little pessimistic).</p>
<p>What’s hard about the Bush administration is to find the silver lining. What thing did they do, in spite of the other stuff that people disliked, that history will remember them for?</p>
<p>Johnson the great society
Nixon ping pong diplomacy
Ford nothing bad happened (my personal favorite)
Carter camp david
regan the fall of soviets and east germany
the better bush gulf war 1
Clinton (help me here)
Bush light (need help here too)</p>
<p>I can’t think of something positive that defines either of the last two presidents. If Bush light and his administration can make it a week without something new coming out of the woodwork that the coverup makes worse than the problem… I’m stumped. You would think at some point when questioned on something, they’d go yup, we that wrong and here’s how we’ll fix it… then it would be over in 24 hours and we could get back to anna nicole.</p>
<p>“Clinton (help me here)” - that one seems obvious to me. A million dead - all civilians, and lies about WMDs. NAFTA, “Free Trade”, WTO all leading to worldwide environmental degradation, global warming, and mass immiseration (and massive illegal immigration to the U.S. as a result.)</p>
<p>The history books may not be written by The Washington Post.</p>
<p>On a positive note: Children’s Health Insurance Program - the first step toward universal health care. (But it will only be noteworthy if and when we get to universal health care.)</p>
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<p>A budget surplus and strong economy. The most fiscally responsible President in recent memory.</p>
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<p>Again, the Iraq sanctions were put in place during the Bush I administration, immediately following the end of the first Gulf War. Clinton did not take office until 1993.</p>
<p>The enforcement of sanctions against wastewater equipment repair, simple antibiotics, antidiarrheals, hospital equipment were alll SOLELY actions of the Clinton Administration. No need to rewrite history; not the history of the lies about WMD - all those Democrats, briefed by Clinton/Tenet, not about lack of information about WMD, but positive intelligence about WMD stockpiles, ongoing research, and intent to deliver them against the U.S. All lies - all parrotted by Democratic senators (and two future Democratic Presidential candidates.)</p>
<p>(I am not arguing that GWI might not have done the same - who knows? - only that he didn’t. If you write Denis Halliday at Swarthmore, if he is still there, he will give you the exact day and month when these particular interpretations of sanctions against “military equipment” went into effect.)</p>
<p>The whole world didn’t hate the US during the Clinton years. That is a relatively new development, within the last, oh, six or so years.</p>
<p>MINI, MINI,MINI,</p>
<p>I was only looking for something positive to remember. The budget surplus was a good point, but is that his greatest achievement? As far as health care goes, nobody in the world has it perfect, Hiliary’s plan has it’s problems too.</p>
<p>Remember WA state adopted the plan and what happened? You probably had group coverage but individual insurance sales stopped for a couple of years and then only through force were the local nonprofits (GH and the Blues) selling it. Can you find any other legit carriers during that time?</p>
<p>Do you know what really scares me? </p>
<p>Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush</p>
<p>That’s the presidential dynastic succession if Hillary wins and Jeb decides to run afterwards and wins. </p>
<p>I thought America was against having royal families. Come now, are these 2 clans the best we have? I mean, really?</p>
<p>By the way, W drives me absolutely crazy. How can one man be so stubborn and ill-advised?</p>
<p>Is there really that much difference between the Democrats and the Republicans? The problem I see is that we have no more statesmen, only power hungry politicians.
Universal health care? I personally don’t want to wait for six months for a CAT scan like “other” countries. How many people come to the US so they can have procedures done in a timely manner?
Immigration? Neither party wants to touch it or enforce the laws that are on the books now (illegals might be votes for them down the road).
A politically correct war? Who ever heard of such a thing? Civilians die in a war. If we had the climate in WWII that we have today, we would have lost the war.
Redistribution of weath? I have a hard time with my taxes going to pay for someones rent or food when they have cell phones, new cars, wide screen TV’s. Things that some people have to do without that don’t get government money (yours and mine).
Bush can spend money better than most. Hillary wants to take yours and give it to someone else.
We have such an ill-informed population. They know what they know from 30 second sound bites. The constitution does not say anything about having the right to vote (a lot of people shouldn’t).
One party is better than the other? I think not.
(geez I sound cynical lol)</p>
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randc, do you own a mirror?<br>
For the past thirty years, on an inflation-adjusted basis the rich have been getting richer, the poor have been getting poorer, and the middle class have made scant progress while “government subsidies” for things like education have declined and their costs have escalated, job security has declined, and individuals’ ability to seek redress for loss or injury caused by corporate greed or negligence has been steadily cut back. Just which direction do you think the nation’s wealth is being “redistributed?” Virtually every “fact” you have cited, on every topic you mention, is actually the repetition of a well-honed “sound bite” which is a gross distortion of reality. Maybe that’s why we have become a nation which is so easily duped by the likes of Rove and Gingrich - they’ve convinced the sound bite believers that they’re actually well informed.</p>
<p>“Universal health care? I personally don’t want to wait for six months for a CAT scan like “other” countries.”</p>
<p>Universal insurance is not the same as nationalized health care, which you seem to be talking about. Under universal insurance, you would still be free to privately purchase medical services on the open market (and there is always someone willing to serve those who can pay), just as you currently can even though Medicare and Medicaid covers much of the population.</p>
<p>My bumper sticker:</p>
<p>“Worst. President. Ever.”</p>
<p>And I’m not even getting road raged much these days. lol</p>
<p>kluge. I’ve always wanted to ask you, since you seem to regard yourself as extremely well-informed: where do you get your information? What newspapers and periodicals do you read; what radio shows do you listen to; what television shows do you watch? I find it’s actually rather difficult to find unbiased information nowadays. So I’m not trying to be snarky, but since you have a history of challenging conservative posters’ sources of information–where do you get yours?</p>
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<p>Economic cycles and legacy …</p>
<p>Economic performance is almost always a legacy from the predecessors. Care to discuss the economy in 2000 when Clinton’s performance should be measured. Do you care to discuss the budget devoted to Education during Clinton’s reign? Fiscal responsibility is not the same as failing responsibilities to ensure our safety and our future. Clinton lived in the present, seized the oportunities handed to him, and didn’t do anything worth remembering, except for the occasional reminder of his cynical association with Mrs. Albright that created most of today’s mess abroad. </p>
<p>Sadly enough, most democrat/liberals seem content to support presidents who didn’t do much but did not screw up too badly. Typical!</p>