How challenging are upper division CE courses (should son change major now)

My son went to a high school that wasn’t very academically challenging, so he soared through high school with little effort. His high school did offer a single AP course in calc AB and son was one of only 3 students that scored a 4 or 5 on the AP test (he received a 4). He was also able to complete many of his gen ed requirements via a dual enrollment program with a local junior college.

He began his freshman year with a full (8 semester) academic scholarship to an out of state school, where he began studying civil engineering. He had a strong interest in architecture while growing up and after research decided on civil engineering, so that he could later study structural engineering with the hopes of working with a design firm.

He did not struggle at all his freshman year and finished the introductory engineering coursework, calculus 1&2, and some science requirements while maintaining a 3.8 GPA.

He was able to secure an internship for the summer with a city government and although was not his intended career path, seemed to enjoy it.

He returned his sophomore year and struggled with many issues both personal and academic.

He was able to complete a full year of physics to complete all his science requirements and calc III, however he failed his statics course, which made future scheduling difficult since it was a prereq for most of his remaining requirements. He was able to retake statics and pass it on his second attempt. His GPA dropped from the 3.8 after his freshman year to a 3.3.

He was feeling very burned out with his coursework and I encouraged him to consider a co-op opportunity which would provide him a break from the stress of coursework and hopefully help remotivate him in his remaining courses.

I also encouraged him to take dynamics over the summer to get ‘back on track’ academically. He attempted dynamics during the summer, but was not motivated and dropped the course when it became too much of a struggle.

He accepted a co-op position and started his 3rd year working at a geotech firm, which he thoroughly enjoyed and talked about hoping he might be able to get a job there after graduation.

He was not at all eager to return to courses and is once again struggling with what I have read repeatedly are the most challenging engineering courses: dynamics and mechanics of materials and he is dreading the thought of the still required fluids course. He needs to maintain a 3.0 for his scholarship and is fearful that his 3.3 GPA is going to drop below that after this semester.

At this point he only has 16 remaining courses to take to complete his degree requirements and (currently) 3 remaining semesters of scholarship funds. But he’s dreading the outcome of a few courses and isn’t certain he’s going to be able to maintain his scholarship. I told him that if he thought that adding an additional semester would help him, that he could take 4 courses each semester, which might be an easier course load to handle.

He’s fearful that since he struggled with statics and is struggling with dynamics and mechanics of materials that the upper division CE courses are going to be even harder and he’s not going to be able to complete them successfully. I feel as though once he gets through these remaining prereqs that the upper division courses should be easier and more enjoyable for him, but I wasn’t an engineering student myself.

Although he’s finished all of his math requirements and all of his science requirements and did outstanding in all of the introductory engineering courses, because of his struggles with courses like statics and dynamics and dread of fluids, he is now considering changing his major.

Personally I believe that with only 3 or 4 remaining semesters and both an internship and co-op in the field on his resume that finishing this course is probably easier than trying to switch to a different major (he’s suggested business, but has not had a single business course and can not possibly complete a business degree in a similar time frame).

If he struggles through the difficult prereqs, do the upper division courses seem to be easier and more enjoyable. If I encourage him to struggle through these courses and he continues to have trouble in his upper division courses then he would be even farther behind if he opted to switch to a different major.

I keep trying to tell him that he’s completed 2 years of a engineering program, has a 3.3 GPA, has an internship and co-op on his resume, and has completed all of the required math and science courses and is doing OUTSTANDING compared to so many others, but as someone not accustomed to struggling, he is becoming very discouraged when he has to deal with difficult courses.

Statics and mechanics of materials are both very important for civil engineering (dynamics on the other hand is not very important besides possibly being a prerequisite for other courses). That being said, having failed or dropped a course is not the end, many of my classmates have struggled especially in statics which is usually thee first engineering course. The main thing is to get through it as quickly as possible and to use withdraws and grade forgiveness strategically to keep your GPA intact as much as possible if you do have to repeat the course. I know very few students who have not repeated a course.

The upper division courses are not likely to be any easier. Many students get low C’s and D’s in the senior level courses. The problem is that civil engineering is very broad, so you may like one area very much but have to take several courses in areas you do not like at all.

As long as you keep a GPA above 2.75 (preferably above 3.0) you should be good. The main thing is to get the degree and to get experience.

The other thing to note is that while he won’t be in terrible shape with a 3.0ish GPA, he will probably have opportunities limited because of this and may not be able to compete for the really nice jobs.

I got a C in my first statics class. So, what did I do for my career? A structural engineer, of course. And I have had a very successful and interesting career. I was in engineering management for a while, hardware I have designed and analyzed is flying in space right now and some is even roving around Mars.

Point is that some of the principles you need to learn take some time to sink in initially. It usually does get easier once you get the hang of things. Makes sure he is part of a study group. Hearing the professor tell you something may not sink in. Hearing one of your classmates explain it, in his or her own terms, may be just enough of a different point of view to make it become clearer. Having to explain something to a classmate really helps reinforce it in your mind.

I also found that I could handle only so many engineering classes at once. I did end up going an extra semester to graduate. Sounds like that might be a good thing for your son to do also.

A 3.3 GPA is a decent GPA for engineering. Most people I know struggle the most around their sophomore year. Training to think and solve problems like an engineer takes some getting used to. The basic principles are also harder to come to grasp with. Once you start to put it together into real world type problems, it seems to get easier.

Per GPA… he only needs to keep it through his next to last semester. It would be great to have good grades in the final semester too, but scholarship will no longer be at risk.

I had 2 semesters of Physics AP credit, so I took statics during freshman year. At first I stubbornly tried to do the homework simplistically dimension by dimension. Once I gave in and learned the right way to do the math for 3D problems things got better. It was actually one of my favorite courses. Dynamics… not so much.