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<p>Computers enabled with Artificial Intelligence were found to be better graders of essays than humans with their pre-existing biases and other nuances. It costs a whole lot less than hiring humans to do that.</p>
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<p>To amplify poetgrl’s point:</p>
<p>According to Caltech’s most recent common data set, 96% of the Bachelors degrees conferred by Caltech in 2010 were in STEM fields. At Yale, 22% of the Bachelors degrees conferred that same year were in STEM fields. At Caltech, fully 36% of degrees awarded were in math and physical sciences; at Yale, only 6% of degrees conferred were in math and the physical sciences. At Caltech, 41% of degrees conferred were in engineering; at Yale, only 4% were in engineering.</p>
<p>33.5% of Caltechs entering freshmen in the Fall of 2010 were from California, a state that has 36% of the nations Chinese-Americans, 43% of Filipino-Americans, 18% of Indian-Americans, 33% of Japanese-Americans, 30% of Korean-Americans, and 37% of Vietnamese-Americans. </p>
<p>Yales entering class that same year included 13.8% Californians, approximating (but slightly exceeding) Californias weight in the national population (11.91%). Like Caltech, Yale drew a disproportionate fraction of its entering class from its own backyard: 30.2% of Yale freshmen in 2010 came from New York/ New England, a region that is only 6.6% Asian-American, compared to Californias 14.9%. </p>
<p>These schools are drawing their entering classes from very different applicant pools, for very different purposes, from very different regions.</p>
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If the computers’ ratings correlate better with future outcomes than the humans’ ratings, I support using the computers. Maybe a composite will work best. Then computers can be programmed to write CC messages. Given the consistency of many posters, including myself, this may not be an insoluble problem :).</p>
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<p>These irrelevant things like “different purposes”, which I call smokescreen diversion, is nothing to do with whether Asian Americans are discriminated at Ivy admissions. The fact that they were discriminated using tools like “holistic approach” is well known. Among the equally qualified applicants, whites were chosen at the expense of Asian applicants. That’s what the lawsuit against Princeton was. In this case, the Asian applicant was much more qualified than the white applicant who was admitted.</p>
<p>The silver lining for the Asian problem is for Asians to get into Plumbing business and make $100/hr, which is way more than the average salary of a Harvard Professor, not counting the overtime. I do get the last laugh. :D</p>
<p>"So we are on the same page in believing that Asians are discriminated, heh. "</p>
<p>Not really. I dont expect anyone to be elected Governor if 95% of the state looks nothing like them or have a different heritage and 50% of the state must have voted for them. </p>
<p>I know at least a few people who came to this country with nothing other than an engineering degree and a dream. At least one made several billion dollars and one made half a billion from companies they no longer head. I know of several people in silicon valley who made a lot of money being part of the startups. None of them may have started Facebook or Google but these are people who came to the country, not raised here.</p>
<p>I don’t know your status or whether you are first or second generation. There are opportunities everywhere and some make use of them and some don’t. Blaming the white dude, gets only some people elected. If you are not in politics, don’t be hatin’.</p>
<p>How is it well known? We’re waiting for something beyond opinion.</p>
<p>And, again, we’ve been there. Whites represent a disproportionately low number of freshman (at the schools we have been discussing,) relative to their number in the US. Some here have suggested they are discriminated against (and maybe they are, all things considered.)</p>
<p>What you miss by coming late to the table and not catching up with the reading, just inserting your own feelings and opinions here, is: holistic cares about more than stats. Read it and weep. There is, esentially, NO way Jian Li can prove HE was skipped by a “lower quality” candidate. His stats may have been better than some, but more than stats is involved. He missed a shot at being one of roughly 2000- as did thousads of other great kids.</p>
<p>Call holistic subjective or whatever you want. In the case of private elites, the Supreme Court has allowed their pursuit of diversity.</p>
<p>I dunno, tpg- Bobby Jindal got elected.</p>
<p>@texaspg, You seem to be from an elite club. For a reality check, it is better to know about the many Asians toiling in the garment, food, and other industries in NYC and other places. You only seem to know the billionaires in Silicon Valley.</p>
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<p>Jeepers! Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, Gary Locke, Deval Patrick . . . </p>
<p>Give people a little credit.</p>
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<p>There are two Indian-American governors, and I don’t think Indians are 5% of the population of any state. They are 1% of the U.S. population according to Wikipedia.</p>
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<p>Please stipulate what you consider evidence of this “fact.” As far as I know (and I’ve read every post in this thread) no one has shared information about any legal finding showing an Ivy league school to be guilty of discrimination on the basis of race. We all know about the Jian Li case. I was not aware that the Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights had issued a statement. So, at this point, we have Jian Li’s complaint (filed in 2006) and possibly others that have not received the same level of public attention. Leveling a claim of racial discrimination against an institution is (and should be) a serious matter. If you have “facts” that prove what you are alleging, share them.</p>
<p>Here’s a nice chart: <a href=“http://familyinequality.files.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2012/06/asian-incomes3.jpg[/url]”>http://familyinequality.files.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2012/06/asian-incomes3.jpg</a></p>
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<p>Some Asian groups have higher average incomes than the national or local averages, and some don’t. For the most part, the larger groups have the higher incomes – Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Filipino vs. Hmong, Lao, Cambodian. On average, “Asian” families beat national income averages by a substantial margin.</p>
<p>"You only seem to know the billionaires in Silicon Valley. "</p>
<p>Lots of my friends worked in low end jobs to support themselves while going to college here. The guys I mentioned also worked low end jobs in grad schools to make ends meet. It did not stop them from getting to where they are. </p>
<p>Priscilla Chan’s parents worked to make ends meet so she could go to Harvard and marry Mark. She was successful in her own right before marrying him.</p>
<p>[Mrs</a> Zuckerberg: Ultimate story of American dream - The Times of India](<a href=“http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Mrs-Zuckerberg-Ultimate-story-of-American-dream/articleshow/13580953.cms]Mrs”>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Mrs-Zuckerberg-Ultimate-story-of-American-dream/articleshow/13580953.cms)</p>
<p>Beliasky - I think I saw a 0.8% Indian number somewhere. So I believe most people in US are lot better humanbeings than they are being given credit for.</p>
<p>JHS - think of how much higher it could have been if they just got to the top at lot more companies. :D</p>
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<p>Talk to any older Jews, they will explain to you what a “holistic tool” is.</p>
<p>Here is the credit to the good people: From wikipedia:</p>
<p>“On June 3, 2010, on the Internet political talk show Pub Politics, State Senator Jake Knotts, a South Carolina lawmaker and supporter of Haley opponent Andre Bauer, repeatedly referred to Haley as a “raghead” because of her Sikh background (male Sikhs wear turbans as part of their religious uniform). Knotts said “We’ve already got a raghead in the White House, we don’t need another raghead in the governor’s mansion.” The Republican state legislator later apologized for the slur, saying the remarks about President Barack Obama and Haley were meant as a joke.”</p>
<p>Now I really believe JoshuaM is a kid . . . .</p>
<p>If people only voted for candidates they loved, turnout for elections would be in the range of 2-3%. Candidates get elected by having more voters find them less disgusting than the other choices on the ballot, that’s all. Love rarely enters into it.</p>
<p>Re: Talking to old Jews. I happen to know a lot of old Jews, and I don’t know a single one who is bitter about discrimination in college admissions. Seriously, not one. All of them got the best education they could, and did the best they could with it. Lots went to Michigan, or Wisconsin, or Hunter College, Queens College, around here Temple, and they loved the heck out of them. And kicked butt when they got out. You have no idea how great Hunter was when Cornell was the only prestige college that would take more than one or two kids from Stuyvesant every year.</p>
<p>And the good people are everywhere in politics. One even claimed to be her lover. How else do you try to bring down other politicians without rolling them through mud?</p>
<p>Wait, I want to talk more about whether Obama is black or not. Can we link to photos here? I mean, really.</p>
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This statement shows such a profound misunderstanding of the Jian Li case I hardly know where to start. First, it wasn’t a lawsuit. Second, Jian Li wasn’t more qualified than some particular white student. Third, Jian Li focused on grades and scores, and Princeton helpfully pointed out that that’s not all they look at. Jian Li thought that because Yale accepted him, he certainly should have gotten into Princeton as well! What a goofball. And you see that his case–filed six years ago–has gone nowhere, and, I predict, will never go anywhere, because his claims are based on the same thin evidence that is being relied on in this thread, and the twenty previous threads about this. At least on this one nobody is denying that Asian kids disproportionately identify as potential STEM majors.</p>
<p>I feel disappointed in the second generation Asians who seem to sit around and mope. </p>
<p>[The</a> Richest People in America List- Forbes](<a href=“The Forbes 400 2022”>The Forbes 400 2022)</p>
<p>I decided to go and check out the billionaires list for Asians in US. I found 6 self made billionaires on the list who came here from India. There is one American born - Jerry Yang. America needs more fresh blood from abroad.</p>