How did you pick your college in the "before times"? (Before the internet and Common App)

I was also in the Northern Virginia area, in the mid to late 70s. And I had no idea what I wanted to study in college. When I applied to UVA, I discovered that you had to decide if you were applying to the School of Engineering, the School of Architecture, the School of Nursing, etc. Since I had no idea, I applied to the College of Arts & Sciences.

The other thing about that time, is that my parents told me it didn’t matter what I studied, just that I earn a college degree. That’s because in their world, women married and became mothers and dropped out of the work force, so the purpose of a college degree for a woman was not a career, but to become an educated potential mate.

When I shared this with my children when they were considering their collegiate educations, they were absolutely shocked.

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I can understand that frustration. In your state and seemingly in California, a CC is a good option. in other states, particularly in the NYC suburban areas, they are not really looked at as having good academics for kids that come from the middle-upper middle class suburban high schools. Those schools tend to have fairly high level academics so that CC does not offer much in terms of learning. A lot (but not all) of the kids have parents with professional jobs and some assets. However, as you point out, in many cases CC is a great path to a four-year college.

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Was a scholarship kid at an excellent single sex day school, small classes, good college advising. I read “Insider’s Guide to Colleges” and visited lots of east coast schools, very fun road trips with high school friends, male and female (which I cannot imagine now sending my kids off on), crashing on people’s floors at Wesleyan, Yale, Brown, Princeton, Trinity etc. Visited Wellesley, Smith and Mt. Holyoke with my mom, remember an inspirational interview at Holyoke talking about John Donne’s poetry. I applied to two Ivys, plus one financial/admissions safety LAC near my home. Got into 1 Ivy, realized I couldn’t afford it because, in my family, we were responsible for paying for college ourselves. So went to the excellent LAC so I could live at home if I ran out of money. I never loved it, but got a good education and was admitted to a top law school which had a far bigger impact on my life. Neither my spouse nor I have strong feelings about our college so I love that my kids both went to schools which they loved and where they had amazing experiences.

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I graduated from high school in prehistoric times and I don’t remember getting much help from counselors. I was a good student (National Honor Society and top 25 in a class of 200). I probably would have ended up at the University of Illinois (either downstate or the campus in Chicago) because of in-state tuition. I did go with a friend on several college tours.

I ended up going to the University of Michigan because my college boyfriend was recruited to play football there and I followed him. Back then, out-of-state tuition must not have been too expensive because my folks were very frugal and paid for the first year. My father’s cousin lived in a suburb of Detroit and I spent a summer working for her husband’s construction company (office work) and lived with them (they didn’t have kids). My Dad had me register to vote in Michigan and I used my cousin’s address and then applied for in-state tuition. I broke up with my high school boyfriend that summer because he went back home for the summer and I was in Detroit. It turned out that he was a decent football player; he was recruited by the Minnesota Vikings and played some but got an injury that kept him from playing. I saw him at the 50th high school reunion and he had just retired as a high school teacher.

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I also have to add - that I’m 10 years younger than the other NOVA HS’ers. I graduated in 1990. My HS had 2000 kids along with tons of others within a 10 mile radius of my home. We also had 19 kids who took the hardest classes available with all As. And 16 were girls!

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Oh, I did visit Princeton, Vassar and Duke before applying. All on my own, via train—though I went with a friend to Duke and we knew someone there who met us at the station and took us to campus.

All had overnight visit options which were fun. I had forgotten about that.

My college search was limited to New England - so within 4-5 hours of where we lived in MA. Although I grew up very modestly (Dad was a HS teacher), my father had attended Deerfield (very athletic but also smart) and also went to private college so he was very aware of the private school landscape. As a funny story - he was being heavily recruited by Yale but at that time the Deerfield headmaster often determined where kids would go and because my dad wasn’t from a prominent family (and didn’t come from $$), Yale was nixed. Different times for sure. I applied to a handful of SLACs plus Holy Cross, Harvard and UMass. I was drawn to smaller schools and only applied to UMass as a backup. I did campus tours and interviews at all of them except UMass. All my applications were hand written which definitely kept the number down. Harvard rejected me, unsurprisingly but I ended up getting in everywhere else and attended one of the SLACs that offered me the most aid. It was 1/2 the price of UMass where I didn’t get a dime. I loved my 4 years of college and I’m still close with many friends I made there. It was a far cry from what kids go through today.

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I received a shiny brochure in the mail after taking the PSAT and it was love at first site. I just felt a really strong connection with the messaging, the pictures, and the location. I applied and enrolled site unseen and it was one the best decisions of my life.

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The only surprise was the comment “in case I didn’t want to major in engineering” :wink:

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I grew up in Urbana, IL and my family always assumed we would go to college. (All four of my grandparents had graduate degrees, and three of my mother’s grandparents did as well - we were told over and over, when the Nazis come, your education is the only thing you can take with you.)

Somehow my father decided that MIT would be the best match for me, which I resisted, but ultimately that was 100% correct.

In the meantime, he made me miss junior prom to go on a college visit tour to MIT, Cornell, Princeton, maybe a few others? I got into those three, and was rejected from Harvard. I didn’t want to go to Princeton because they required a thesis which sounded like a lot of work.

Most of my HS class went to UIUC in the Honors College and I worried that I would be really homesick, but I loved every second once I got to MIT. I didn’t love my prefrosh visit, where it seemed like everyone already knew each other (even the prefrosh) except for me, and I spent much of the time talking to Tufts students about how great they were and wishing I’d applied there.

The thing I loved most about MIT on my junior-year prom-missing visit was that they had desks in the same style that we had at my high school. The rep told us at the time that applying EA would increase admissions chances, particularly for girls.

I remember that Harvard was also EA (not restrictive at all) but Princeton was ED. I got into MIT early and applied to the rest RD. My father brought the envelope to me in Computer Science class and it was a little thin envelope so he thought maybe I was rejected.

All the apps were on paper and I used a purple pencil to circle the things you had to circle. My father had to go drive to work to pick up a printout of my essays so every draft had to be really worth it. I guess I used a glue stick to paste the essays onto the trifold applications? We had just upgraded from a manual to an electric typewriter for the typing parts.

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Typing, tri fold.

What is too many apps? These kids today have it sooooooooooo eaaaasssssyyyyyy

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I’m kind of amazed at the educational diversity on CC here, among our families at least.

None of my grandparents graduated from high school. Only 2 even attended some. My mom got a full scholarship to college but her parents would not let her go, saying it was a waste because she was female. My dad applied on a whim and went to night school.

We had no idea how to approach my college search. So in fact, it wasn’t really a search. It was more about where could I get in. My parents just felt that a good liberal arts degree was the best thing and I had never met an engineer or known any women in STEM fields, so I just looked in the Barron’s book for schools with my GPA and SAT scores and that was that!

It always surprises me to hear people my age say their grandparents went to college. I did not know anyone of that generation who did.

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I was a kid from the barrio who loved reading and attended a middle class High School in another area.

We had a phenomenal counseling team. Each of us was assigned to a team of six counselors based on last name. So I was assigned to two counselors. Mrs. G dealt with high school issues.

They also had a counselor designated as the college and university counselor. He only dealt with college application deadlines, college visits and tests requirements.

Mrs G was the one who told me that I needed to take a foreign language that was not my Home language in order to be admitted to the UCs. I had no idea she had already plotted my future and that I would be taking French.

My counselor figured out that I qualified for a number of AP classes. She plotted my classes for the next couple of years, and then she walked me across the offices to the college counselor. He was an older gentleman and I was shocked at how enthusiastic he was about my being referred to him.

She introduced me to him while handing him my future schedule and said “she’s going to be one of your university kids.” I wasn’t aware there was a difference.

He started pulling out college catalogs for Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, and the UCs. I didn’t know anything about those schools.

He explained that I needed to sign up for the college visit tours that were conducted by the high school to visit in-state Universities.

I didn’t know anything about this world of universities, applications, test scores etc. I was called in weekly to see him because he would check on my progress and referred me for every scholarship available.

Back then, there was a lot of money for a person of color. There were about 700 kids in my class and the diversity was there, but not in the AP level classes. I stuck out like a sore thumb and I felt very uncomfortable.

These kids were very sharp and did attend places like Princeton, Stanford, and Harvard. Turns out that the middle class high school was in an area where the college professors lived.
I owe this counselor my firstborn because he achieved phenomenal success on finding scholarships and funds for me to get full rides everywhere I applied.

We had a road block when my parents refused to sign any college paperwork. The counselor had to call my priest to get the priest to talk to my parents.

My mother refused to sign the paperwork and I didn’t know it until later, that my father had eventually signed. I will say, without admitting guilt, that I may have signed some forms with an uncanny similar signature to my Mom, since my name/signature was similar to my mom’s.

I attended a private Catholic University in town that had a lot of students with fancy cars and moneyand although I had a room, my mother would not allow me to stay there. She had a warped sense of what a university represented and said that only “women of the night” went away to college.

That college was too small and uncomfortable for me. I transferred to the big, huge CSU in town and was very successful there.

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I was born to two Badger parents and three Badger grandparents. (the fourth grandparent ran a successful farm).

So family bias was high, and during my childhood I was taken to Madison for a number of games. During those trips I grew to love the campus and, of course, the Badger teams.

So I applied to UW-Madison and ultimately matriculated and graduated.

I only applied to one other school, Beloit College. I chose Beloit because it was still in-state (I wanted to say fairly close to home so mom could do my laundry occasionally…) and comprised a quality small-school option. I got into Beloit but ultimately chose to be a Badger.

I toyed with the notion of applying to Dartmouth because:

  • It’s an Ivy
  • Its school color is green, and I like green
  • It’s in the woods, so it would have been less environmentally shocking than Madison or Beloit
  • Dartmouth has a fair bit of history with native Americans, which my father – a clinic administrator on our nearby native American reservation – pointed out, and which I thought was cool.

But I didn’t think I’d get in, so I decided against the app. Had I known then that my favorite poet, Robert Frost, was also affiliated with Dartmouth, that might have pushed me over the edge.

In retrospect, my strategy was foolish: while UW-Madison was affordable – mom and dad had set up education accounts for both sis and I with UW in mind – Beloit likely would not have been without some serious loans. So had I not been admitted to UW, I might have been schoolless.

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Yeah, looking back on it, I’m really struck by how much I was persuaded by the post-PSAT brochures. I’d spent exactly one night at Bard as part of a high school extracurricular, and I think the rural LAC became my template. Mail from Haverford and Macalester secured their serious consideration. Amherst and Wesleyan were both recommended by the same faculty advisor, and they were the only two official campus visits I can remember making. Had only the vaguest idea of what the Ivy League was all about; highly doubt more than 2% of my largely working-class, NYC high school could have named all 8 schools and Amherst would probably have fit their mental picture of what it typified.

Oh, and Mom and Dad let me handle the entire process.

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Yep. 3/4 grandparents didn’t finish HS. My parents went to college, but lived at home and commuted in NYC. My generation was the first to go away to college, but all 3 of us kids applied to the same 1 school. My kids were the first to do a real college search for fit (vs affordability).

My mom also almost didn’t go to college. She wasn’t supposed to as a girl. My Dad signed her up for the SAT. She got over 1400 without even knowing what it was about.

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Decades ago, intensive SAT or ACT preparation was not the norm, although test prep books and courses did exist.

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Attending a 4-year college is often treated as a default expectation in forum discussions, yet most persons in US do not complete a 4-year college degree. And in previous generations, only a slim minority completed college degrees. NCES numbers are below:

% of Persons Aged 25-29 with Bachelor’s Degree or Higher
1920 – 3-4%
1940 – 6%
1950 – 8%
1960 – 11%
1970 – 16%
1980 – 22%
1990 – 23%
2000 – 29%
2010 – 32%
2020 – 39%
2024 – 40% (most recent available)

One one side of my family, my 2 grandparents had 3 doctoral degrees between them during a period in which % of persons with PhDs among their ethnicity was ~0.002%… probably substantially lower than this among persons who lived in low SES, rural south. My grandmother and/or her brother may have been the first persons from their college (attended same college) to achieve this.

I’m not entirely sure reasons for the unique path. One contributing factor was great-grandmother was a teacher. Another was my grandfather had a job selling sweepstakes tickets door-to-door and was given a winning ticket as reward. They chose to use a portion of winnings on education, rather than traditional spending.

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IIRC, that was your position regarding the Roosevelt family attending Harvard in the late part of the 19th century. That it had no real consequence on the future arc of their lives or careers, particularly in regard to their careers in politics. It was purely reflexive.

That wasn’t what I wrote. Specific wording was, " My point is that attending Harvard wasn’t the key that unlocked political doors for FDR – being a Roosevelt did."