<p>average stats; not just average sat.
Average sat on CC means 2100-2150; you would be fine don’t worry.</p>
<p>yeah well I wanted to know both.
Just used the SAT as a “standardized” example…
and what do you mean by “you would be fine don’t worry”?</p>
<p>I meant that you will have no probs getting into some of these.</p>
<p>do you mean that 2100-2150 is good for most of these colleges?
(with a $10000 EFC)</p>
<p>(btw I scored 2210 – 750 V 740 M 720 W)</p>
<p>im currently thinking of applying (for 2008 post gap year) to
the following Unis:</p>
<p>University of Pennsylvania
Columbia University
Brown University
Dartmouth College
Cornell University
Chicago University
Georgetown University
Duke University
Johns Hopkins University</p>
<p>i wasnt thinking about applying to HYPSM because tbh im
not some “obviously going to be a huge leader” type person
but i was considering the following LACs:</p>
<p>Williams College
Amherst College
Wesleyan University
Swarthmore College
Haverford College </p>
<p>how hard are they to get into compared to the Unis i posted? are they harder than that list? because i clearly have Unis as favourites over LACs so if they are infact harder to get into then theres no real point i guess? ps the reason i have no “match/safetys” etc or w.e you people on CC call them is because i have a backup Uni in UK sorted so even if i get rejected by all USA places i still go to top5 Uni :)</p>
<p>Generally speaking, there’s not a lot of daylight between the LACs you’ve picked and the unis you’ve chosen; Brown is probably the biggest crap shoot of the bunch; the rest are all within 10% pts of each other in terms of selectivity.</p>
<p>sorry what do you mean by “crap shoot” :)…im not really familiar with CC terminology (i have a slight idea about match, safety, reach etc but only just :D)</p>
<p>My <em>personal</em> definition of crap shoot territory (i.e., the same odds as rolling a pair of “sixes” in a game of dice, or crap game) is when the odds of admission for someone with a 2150 combined SAT score begins to reach 1 out of 10. Brown at 15% and Columbia at 13% come the closest to fitting that definition. I guess it would be the equivalent of a high reach in CC terminology.</p>
<p>ah i see…shame…Brown was one of the Unis which was most
appealing to me…but i do realise that these Unis are probably
harder to get into than Oxbridge (where i was rejected from :()…</p>
<p>although i still have a lot of research to do, a question that
i want to ask now is the whole “early decision” and the “numbers game”…logic seems to dictate that the most likeliest chance of acceptance would be by applying to Cornell, Upenn, Dartmouth ED (according to statistics)…to what extent is this true?</p>
<p>being a foreigner, my mum doesnt like the whole idea of paying ~ $50k for 4 yrs when in UK it = ~$6k…so if i were
to apply ED it would most likely be one of the 5 ivys …how much would that influence my chanes of getting accepted?</p>
<p>thanks.</p>
<p>I don’t know about your personal chances, but in general Cornell is said to be the easiest of the ivies to get into for internationals who can pay.
Don’t be fooled by ED numbers. A lot of ED applicants are legacies and recruited athletes, so your chances as an unhooked applicant don’t necessarily improve by applying ED (they do improve significantly at UPenn though) But I hope you are not going to apply to both Dartmouth and UPenn just because they are both Ivies. The two schools are so fundamentally different that I can hardly imagine a student who would be happy at both.</p>
<p>ED helps because it tells the college that it is your top-choice.
Plus it also shows the amount of interest you have in the college.
But, I guess, for the Ivies, they know that a candidate they accept is most likely going to attend, so ED won’t work in your favour unless you have super stats and the Ivies WANT you.
But for other colleges, say a little lower ranked liberal arts college, ED can help a lot, especially if you apply for financial aid, because they know that most of the candidates they accept through RD aren’t going to attend, so they try to fill up most of their freshman class through the ED round.</p>
<p>For the colleges you listed though, its going to be as tough getting in ED as getting in RD, unless of course you have amazing stats (in which case you SHOULD NOT apply ED anywhere)</p>
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<p>Of the remaining choices, Wesleyan is often considered the LAC version of Brown. At 27%, one could argue your chances of acceptance are almost twice as great.</p>
<p>^^
yes, but don’t forget, the acceptance % for internationals (especially those who apply for aid) is way lower.</p>
<p>well i wont be applying for financial aid.</p>
<p>@ b@r!um –> i guess its just the English “UCAS” mentality…in the UK we have a much smaller choice of top tier universities and as such, the best candidates apply to a variety of choices whether it be massive Nottingham/Manchester, middle of no where Warwick, Ancient Durham, Oxbridge, mega expensive London Unis etc…i like many of my friends applied to vastly diffrent unis such as durham, notts, warwick, oxford, lse and ucl…and can see myself quite happy in all of them…oh and also in the UK its more of a case that you apply first to wildly diffrent Unis and then choose according to location etc etc etc.</p>
<p>and besides…its pretty hard to convince a parent to let her son take a gap year and apply to a University which isnt extremly well know ($50k<em>4 vs $6k</em>3 is quite a diffrence and shes not really liking the idea of me going anywhere other than that)</p>
<p>whilst i wouldnt say that i have amazing stats for a CC-American (some of you guys are crazy EC wise :D) if all goes as planned i will have a v.nice selection of leaderships, awards and ECs going for me…</p>
<p>will applying ED to Chicago greatly increase chances? im
contemplating this because i want to major in Economics and ive been told this is the best place for undergrad (along with columbia + penn i think)…</p>
<p>thanks :)</p>
<p>Could I ask why you are opting from college in the US instead of UK?</p>
<p>several reasons i guess…</p>
<p>-with the exception of Oxbridge (and possibly LSE) i think that most US unis are much much better.</p>
<p>-as i get older my interests have some what expanded…whilst previously a strictly economics related program would have been more intresting to me, i am now realising that i would also like to study subjects such as philosophy, physics and classics at Uni…and most UK ones dont cater (or atleast to a preferable extent) for this…</p>
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<li>change of scene +location.</li>
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<p>-if i get into Chicago ill be like several freeking time zones away from my mum (just joking :D!)</p>
<p>besides…im not really opting out…its more of a case of trying my luck chances at them…financial reasons meant that i could only apply to them after a gap year and i already have UK unis sorted which is why the US unis are probably considered “high-reach” by everyone for probably everyone :)</p>
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<p>ahh, then its ok 
Go for it.</p>
<p>not to mention the fact that the currency exchange rate if very favourable atm…can we pay for all 4 years in one go :D?</p>