<p>juba, you are in a totally different situation, as I see it. You already have a college degree, right? Are the jobs you are applying “at will” employment or do they require a contract? It is none of the employers’ business what you are planning to do in a couple of years, unless you are required to sign a contract. Employment at will means you can leave at any time (usually with a 2-week courtesy notice) or your employer can terminate your position at any time.</p>
<p>It’s called “lying by omission”. In leaving out that you’re a student on your resume, you’re intending to imply that you’re not a student. That’s what you even <em>say</em> you’re trying to do. You’re trying to deceive them so that they’ll hire you. It has to do with your intent, and your intent is to deceive. You even used the phrase “cover up” in the subject line.</p>
<p>There are certain things that you’re allowed to leave off of your resume, and they’re things that the interviewer is not even legally allowed to ask you about (your age, your race, your religion, your marital status, where you’re from, what disability you have), but the obligation to list your major commitments… like being a student… aren’t covered there.</p>
<p>If they catch you on an interview omitting information like that, you’re not going to be asked back. If they find out that you’re a full-time student after you’ve been hired, they’re going to be really irritated that you didn’t tell the whole truth.</p>
<p>Also, it’s not like it’s even the beginning of the summer. It’s completely unfair to the employer (and this is the part that I see as unethical) that they are planning to invest time in your training with you only definitely being there for two months. They are trying to plan longer-range than that, and they should know that, while you might continue at least part-time into the fall, there is no guarantee of that. Maybe you can prove to them that you will accomplish so much that you are worth it, but they should be able to make that decision.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t be surprised if your employer would be upset enough to contact your school.</p>
<p>Galo, look, you managed to balance work and school during your frosh year - that’s what important. You should highlight this as your strength in your cover letter.</p>
<p>Here is what I suggest: do not skirt around the issue that you are a college student; just do not state that you are a science major (usually science major = very time consuming).</p>
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<p>You are obviously intelligent enough to know why it is lying. </p>
<p>I’m beginning to think that you just come to this forum to mess with people. Either that, or you just have an awful lot of growing up to do.</p>
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<p>I will say that at some of the unicru-type jobs, the “training” takes about 12 1/2 minutes.</p>
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just reverse roles for a minute … make yourself the employeer … hire a new employee. plan their long-term development plan, spend money on long-term training, posibly have them spend a week or two getting acquainted with the organization … and then after 8-10 weeks your new employee says I’m headed to college in two weeks … you then ask “Did you know this when we hired you in a full-time position” … the employee says “well, I thought it was fine becasue you did not explicitly ask me “are you a full-time student trying to fake us out to get a full-time position””? … Ok, you’re the emplyeer; what your reaction. No problem, we’ll give you a great recommendation … or might you be a tad teed-off?</p>
<p>YOU GO TO UVA?!?!? When I was there, honor was everything. Is the current environment such that students figure out how to get around what is honest and what is not? Are there now shades of gray? Since when is not telling the whole truth not lying?</p>
<p>Honor is honor. If this would pass for honorable at Uva, it will pass for honorable in Charlottesville. To me, this is not the honorable thing to do. It is misleading to an employer, and you know it.</p>
<p>Charlottesville is a rather small town. Th9is cou8ld backfire BIG TIME. I can’t believe you would try to pull this off in town. </p>
<p>You have revealed much about yourself, your immaturity, and your lack of honor.</p>
<p>missypie, that is true. I’m reading this having already read galoisen’s thread about this on the College Life forum, which I think implies that this is more complicated training. (I don’t know anything about the field, so I could be wrong…if I am, apologies)</p>
<p>My employer will never find out I go to UVA – there are lot of other schools in town besides UVA, like PVCC, various vocational and technical schools…</p>
<p>I want to apply to a range of jobs. Jobs requiring advanced training I will make a diligent effort to keep for the entire year (if not right up till graduation).</p>
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<p>OP, here’s another reason why employers might be deterred:</p>
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<p>It’s a pain to have to retrain new employees. If a manager has a choice of a few people, and one comes from a group that tends to disappear come the start of fall semester, it’s no contest who gets hired. </p>
<p>That’s the heart of the ethical issue that’s got us adults riled up. People lie to get jobs, but they can do so ethically if they’re trying to get a job in the face of unethical discrimination. So, someone who has college degrees but is trying to get a job where the degree will make them look overqualified, even though they want to keep the job, isn’t going to get dinged by the ethics police. Your mom, who lied about being a parent so she could get a job at which she probably worked hard and successfully, doesn’t get an ethics violation citation. A college student who takes a job that’s meant to be long-term, and who lies about being a student because they’re not going to keep the job, is not acting ethically.</p>
<p>If you honestly mean to keep this job through the school year, and if your student status will not affect your ability to do the job, and you’re going to work so hard after getting the job that they won’t mind when they discover you are a student–then you don’t need to mention that you’re a student. Or, mention that you ARE a student, and that you want to make a real commitment to the job. If the job is temporary and will end before the start of the school year and has no possibility of being something longer-term, there’s no problem with leaving out the student issue. Otherwise, not telling the employer this one particular fact about yourself is lying.</p>
<p>Please, stop trying to look for people to tell you this is an okay thing to do. You posted a thread in the college life forum before posting here, and in both places you’ve been overwhelmingly told that this is wrong and a bad idea. You already seem pretty determined to lie about this despite all the advice that you have been given. If you already have your mind essentially made up, why do you bother asking?</p>
<p>Because I wonder how effective it is, and how to make it most effective if it is.</p>
<p>Well on the one online app I completed, I did say I was a student because of the way it was structured – I just had the hunch it would work for me because I could actually plug my formatted resume rather than some text version.</p>
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<p>That’s what I usually tell them. (And I mean every word of it!) Mais ils ne me croient pas.</p>
<p>How about just looking for a job on campus? That would take care of the lying problem right there. Though I’ve been out of college for a while, I seem to remember that there were a good deal of campus jobs available. I would imagine that UVa has a pretty good career/employment center that could help you out with this.</p>
<p>All taken yo … I actually found out job opportunities in this town this year (often posted on Cavlink) are a mere shadow of what they were last year.</p>
<p>On the other hand…</p>
<p>“Thank you for your interest in RadioShack career opportunities. Based on the information you provided in your preliminary online application, we believe you may have the skills and experience necessary to become a successful RadioShack team member.”</p>
<p>I guess that’s what I love about Unicru-esque job applications … they automatically grade your personality test scores … now just to convince the manager at interview.</p>
<p>Here is a solution. Ask Dean J. Ask right here on CC. See what she thinks.</p>
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<p>It really does depend on the job…some of these jobs have a close to 100% annual turnover rate…but I guess for those jobs, the employer wouldn’t particularly care if you were a student…</p>
<p>Great suggestion, sunnyflorida!</p>