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<p>Please don’t ask us what lies are suitable for that, lol!</p>
<p>galoisien, like others, I think you are making a mistake. I also can’t believe that employers wouldn’t rather have a UVA student than not.</p>
<p>^^great point mathmom. When I lived in Viriginia (back in the dark ages), UVa students were highly sought after by employers BCOS of thier honor code. Obviously, times change… :rolleyes:</p>
<p>That was before the recession.</p>
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Vanillin, MSG, lying on a resume to get a job they wouldn’t normally give him… coincidence, or a pattern of fakery? :D</p>
<p>Kiddo, silly food stuff aside, you definitely aren’t “keepin it real.” Maybe they’re not really deterred by your student status. Maybe it’s you. They might just be smart enough to see through you in an interview. Most employers don’t really want to have phony, dishonest opportunists working for them, because they know that if you’ll lie and cheat to get the job, you’ll definitely lie and cheat on the job.</p>
<p>I’ve never lied or cheated on the job or at school. Wth?</p>
<p>And since when was vanillin and MSG fake?</p>
<p>True color shows during hard time. It is always easy to be an up standing citizen when time is easy.</p>
<p>I have two interns this summer. I told them upfront there would be no job offering after this summer, unlike other banking internships. I could have tried not to disclose it, possibly mislead them so they would work harder. Instead, one of the interns is working extra hard, from 6:30am to after 7pm everyday, without being asked. He is making such an impression, we are actually thinking about offering him a part time job when he goes back to school in fall and maybe come back as a permanent next year. Even though his school is over 200 miles away, we think he could do telecommuting. The reason we would even consider it is because he is honest and trustworthy. At the same time, I am sure he appreciates the fact we were honest with him.</p>
<p>If you’ve never lied or cheated before, why would you start now? </p>
<p>You asked us how to hide the truth (lie) to get a job, and now are offended that no one sees you as a paragon of virtue? This does not compute.</p>
<p>“a whole bunch of jobs just got posted, including some Unicru ones – I love those now because I know how to pass the test with flying colours”</p>
<p>…by “lying” I presume? Say, aren’t you the same student who not too long ago wanted to know how to get out of a relationship with an older person that you never cared about and got involved with largely because of the material things he could provide? [I think that was the story but sorry if I have mischaracterized - or am thinking of the wrong person 
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<p>I agree with building a positive work reference, but yes, I do see it as the “chump way”. I think that people who always abide by the rules will lose out in the end because they are not thinking enough for themselves, but are too wrapped up in following the rules.</p>
<p>Employment is not always honest or ethical, people get hired because one guy is more good-looking/younger than the other, or women don’t get hired because they have children. So why do applicants have to 100% ethical and honest when the employers aren’t? As somebody who is just starting out in the workforce, I feel like it is a competitive environment where sometimes just being qualified isn’t always enough, and you have to learn how to work with the system. Would putting on make up and putting on nice clothes just for an interview also be lying because it is something you don’t normally do? Is dying your hair to get rid of the gray spots also lying, when all you’re just trying to do is not have them judge you based on your age? Would not mentioning that you are a married woman also be lying, even though you are just preventing employers from not taking you too seriously? I could go on.</p>
<p>I don’t see mentioning that you are not a student as serious as everyone else thinks. I lost out on a bunch of jobs because I did this, and I was told by a friend that I should have lied and just quit when I needed to. </p>
<p>I would like to hear some more perspectives on this. Where is the line drawn between lying and thinking for yourself?</p>
<p>If you take a job where you have to lie to get it, you will constantly have to live the lie on the job, or get fired for dishonesty when you are found out. And when you need future job references, you won’t be able to get a good one from a place that you lied to get into. No one likes a liar, no one trusts a liar. It’s a fact of life, a fact which I am surprised needs to be pointed out to intelligent people.</p>
<p>If you can’t see the value to an employer of hiring an honest person, then can you at least see the value of protecting your future reputation from the results of being found to be a liar by your employer?</p>
<p>And I’ll just add that while it is true that employers are not always honest, they do hold most of the cards in this game. If you think being dishonest with a dishonest employer will allow you to come out with clean hands, think again.</p>
<p>Here is what I see. Galoisien is a 18(?) yr old kid who asked for our advice on whether not disclosing that he is a college student could help his job searching. We all told him that it would be a wrong thing to do; I think he finally got it - he has shown some naivete on this forum, but he is not dumb. But we go on and on and keep calling him a cheat, a liar, etc. That does not help with getting the message through. Remember, we are talking to a teenager :)</p>
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<p>There is an old saying, beggars can’t be choosers. Your job, when applying for a position, is to present yourself in the most marketable way, ethically.</p>
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<p>Actually, I would guess that most employers are honest and upfront. It does them little good to not be. Sure, bad apples abound, and look what happens to them: Chapter 7.</p>
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<p>What does lying have to do with “thinking for yourself”? Thinking for yourself implies independence of mind, not dishonesty. </p>
<p>When a person applies for a job, they are expected to put their best foot forward. That means that they write a cover letter that points out the ways in which they are right for the job, show up for the interview appropriately dressed, and are prepared to talk about what they’ve done that qualifies them for the position and answer reasonable questions in a reasonable manner. No one thinks that because you have the common sense to wear appropriate working attire to an interview that this is what you wear when hanging around at home! No one thinks that because you wear makeup or tie your hair back for an interview that this is the way you look when you roll out of bed in the morning or on weekends. Everyone has a personal life, and it is not expected to intrude unduly into the workplace. Not talking about your kids during an interview–unless it is relevant-- is normal, as is not talking about your hobbies or your friends, unless those things are relevant too.</p>
<p>You show that you understand the expectations of the working world by modeling them in the interview. This isn’t “lying.”</p>
<p>I think you are making a big mistake on many levels. </p>
<p>First, you think it is not lying but it is lying by omission, and that is a form of deceit. It is not the same as not disclosing you are a mother at a job interview. A resume and job interview require you to share your past employment and education and not omit it and also account for how you spent the past few years of your adult life. </p>
<p>Another thing is that one lie often leads to another and you are gonna end up having a big problem down the line. If you don’t disclose you are a student and that’s what you have been doing the past year, you have to account for that time in a different way. That may lead to another set of questions and soon you are having to weave a whole web of lies because it will be hard to maintain the original lie without other stuff you will have to make up at some point…at the interview, on the job, after the job. The negative consequences that the first lie will inevitably entail will multiply. How do you plan to account for what you have done in this past year? You even mention not disclosing your age but it may come up on an official tax form. </p>
<p>Ya know, there are jobs out there for college students in summers where you do not have to lie to get them. I believe you are about 19 years old, right? A rising sophomore in college, right? I have two kids only slightly older than you…20 and 22. Both have held professional type jobs in their respective fields the last few summers and they got these without any lies. Ya know, it is possible to do! And these jobs are on their resumes and anyone could call the jobs up and know that they were honest and can get a good reference if need be. Your employer, once he finds out you have to leave due to being a student, will not be able to give you a good reference in the future as he will have felt and been deceived upon hiring you. </p>
<p>I suggest you have an honest resume and interview. Explain that you cannot work full time in the fall but would be interested in staying on part time. If that is not satisfactory to this employer, look for a job where you do meet the selection criteria. </p>
<p>I truly don’t see how your interview is gonna go if you start with a lie about the past year and the coming year and one question will lead to another and you will soon be full of lies. In fact, you may not even be hired as you won’t sound upfront and someone may be suspicious. Honesty tends to always win in the end. </p>
<p>It is on the late side to be securing a summer job. You seem like a smart kid if you attend UVA. I know my kids had their summer jobs lined up some time ago. It takes a lot of work to seek out a job in your field for the summer. You seem to be seeking the easy way or quick way out and it likely will turn into a problem for you down the line. Good luck.</p>
<p>I didn’t know I was going to be staying in C’ville till April. (A combination of family problems + securing research here made me stay back.) The hourly positions aren’t going to be my resume-maker: my research positions are.</p>
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<p>Does anyone seriously answer Unicru questions honestly? </p>
<p>Okay, I am really an introvert, have some social anxiety issues, etc. but I would never display them on the job. Introverted as I am it’s easy for me to play the self-confident extrovert in the workplace. So I play the extrovert on the Unicru apps. That’s basically what everyone does? </p>
<p>scansmom: err, no? He was also great in bed? And we’ve rehooked up but in a less serious manner?</p>
<p>galoisien…I’m sorry but now you are saying you have known since April that you would be in VA this summer. It is now mid June. I don’t understand why you are looking for a summer job now. </p>
<p>I’ll admit that I don’t know what a Unicru job is. </p>
<p>But you also mention that an hourly position is not going to be a resume maker. I’ll have you know that none of my two kids’ summer jobs during college were hourly pay. Each job has been a resume maker and has been in their career fields. You act as if in order to get a summer job that is an actual summer job and not lying and trying to get a year round job means you must work at McDonalds or something. There are summer jobs that pay in your career field. But it is late now. But many serious students secure such work after much work in exploring jobs, sending out resumes, networking and the like. </p>
<p>You say you are doing research this summer? My kid knows a lot of kids from college who have done research in summer and are paid to do it. </p>
<p>You want to get a year round job when what you qualify for right now is a summer job like all other college students. But many college kids secure summer positions of a professional nature in their career fields. And these position are upfront as just for the summer too.</p>
<p>Scansmom, I somewhat recollect the OP as having a thread about meeting an older man on the internet and hooking up with him and some issues that came up with that. I can’t recall if there was misleading or misrepresentation involved in that situation. I’d have to find the thread to recall it. </p>
<p>Galoisien…there is a reason for the saying, “honesty is the best policy.” Live by it and you will succeed. In any case, if your school has an honor code, I hope you don’t live by it only when school is in session. :)</p>
<p>PS…as I don’t wish to lie, I just realized that one of my D’s jobs (was one of a couple jobs she had that one summer) did pay by the hour (but no other jobs they’ve held paid hourly). However, it paid $25/hour and she was 18 which I think is real good. :)</p>
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<p>Scansmom, I have to defend the OP on the Unicru tests. There is a long thread (that I started) on how to pass Unicru. The choices in answers are strongly agree, agree, disagree, strongly disagree…a rational person would answer “agree” or “disagree” with most of the statements, yet it’s the kiss of death…the answers need to be “strongly agree” or “strongly disagree” to “pass” the test. If an answer makes you sound like either a hot head or an extreme brown nose, it’s the right answer. It’s a ridiculous test and some perfectly able people remain unemployed because they can’t pass the test. (By the way, to get his job at a grocery store, my son had to pass (1) Unicru, and (2) a drug test. NO ONE EVER interviewed him or even met him!)</p>
<p>I couldn’t do job searching in April with final exams.</p>
<p>Also kinda hard to get a job doing chemistry, neuroscience or materials science engineering internships in Charlottesville – at least Cavlink is dry this year. I don’t live in NoVa…I didn’t go to a fantastic high school like one of my friends who secured an internship in MedImmune, and no I can’t really commute up to Baltimore. I don’t know anyone in Baltimore. </p>
<p>Plenty of stuff for the finance / accounting folks. And I lack a car, so I can’t commute. Thus, my available jobs are limited those areas I can get to by bus. A lot of hourly employers see the working class as uneducated cheap labour anyway – it’s their fault for stereotyping.</p>