<p>here’s a link to the UNICRU thread:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/518978-what-correct-answer-job-application-question.html?highlight=unicru[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/518978-what-correct-answer-job-application-question.html?highlight=unicru</a></p>
<p>Also, I’d have been the perfect candidate for a $16-24/hr position … if it didn’t require me to have a driver’s licence. Seriously? The position didn’t even involve driving. Is that just businesses’ way of weeding out poorer applicants?</p>
<p>galoisien, I ain’t buying your excuses. Sorry for being so blunt. I know it is not easy to get a job but MANY colleges kids do. Mine always have. Please do not tell me about final exams!! My kids’ schedules at their respective schools were insane morning, noon, night and weekend. Still, they did what they had to do to secure jobs. </p>
<p>I don’t know your area or the specific jobs. But even with research, many students are paid to do summer research right at their colleges. My older D had many friends who have done that at her college. </p>
<p>Also, you could do an unpaid internship or one with a stipend during the day and do something outside your field to earn extra cash at night or on weekends as a way to get experience on your resume in your field through a summer internship but also have a way to earn additional money you may need. </p>
<p>None of my kids’ jobs required a driver’s license by the way (they have a driver’s license but 90% of their summer jobs did not involve driving and they did not have their car with them).</p>
<p>
No, it’s the way of weeding out applicants who don’t have control over their own time. IE: you can’t drive yourself there, so you’re not dependable. They don’t want you calling up the morning of to say “my mom had to go into the city today for a meeting, so she can’t drive me to work. Sorry, but I can’t come in today.” They don’t want someone who’s not reliable.</p>
<p>As for the original issue: someone already said it, it’s lying by omission. In court, a witness can’t say only half the truth and leave the rest out. You have to tell the whole truth. See? For instance, they can’t say “oh, I was the baby’s nanny” when in total they were the nanny and saw the mom hit the baby. It’s leaving out half the truth.</p>
<p>Sure, you can lie (and it is lying) and I don’t think you’re really going to let any of us dissuade you from doing so. But, realize that your boss will be a lot smarter than you will give him credit for. I hate to burst your bubble but if you say in August that you just decided to apply and got accepted to UVA sometime between mid-June and late-August, he’s going to know. The fact is, you’re letting your boss down. And when you need him later on (and you will, for a referral) you WILL look bad. It could prohibit you from getting jobs in the future.</p>
<p>You can still get a job even if you’re going to college later on. Some companies won’t hire temp work, but many will. Just be honest.</p>
<p>While I don’t approve of what the OP is trying to do, I’m rather taken aback by the uncompromising nature of some of the responses. Am I the only person who is now thinking of the US military and “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”? </p>
<p>OP, for the driver’s license requirement: maybe the employer wants to have backup drivers in case they need someone to go out and the regular drivers are already busy. Or maybe they want that so they can do a background check. Or maybe they want to know that you can be flexible with hours. It doesn’t make any difference: if the employer is only hiring people who can juggle four chain saws or who’ve memorized the Declaration of Independence, saying that it’s not needed for your work as a financial analyst is besides the point. Takeaway message for you is to consider getting a driver’s license for future jobhunting success.</p>
<p>What. I commute by myself. My transport is reliable. I can pull three miles of walking in 29 minutes. I’m athletic. I can get myself anywhere within five miles on foot, not counting busses. Some adults just don’t know what being healthy is. I don’t need a car. I just can’t commute between cities without one.</p>
<p>Well you could just do what most college students (including myself) do: find a retail/service job and work for $8/hour. Trust me, it’s easy…Not to mention humbling (which is always healthy for one’s ego). I haven’t read through the topic (too lazy lol) so I don’t know what your financial situation is like…But do you really need some cush desk job that pays $15/hour?</p>
<p>One thing I don’t get is that you say you want a certain kind of job as a resume builder (good idea of course). But it won’t be a resume builder when you have to quit the job and the employer will then realize you are a student and never disclosed that and so if you put this job on your resume, a future employer can call this job for a reference and it will HURT you, not HELP you. </p>
<p>Again, many college students secure jobs for the summer in their field or else an internship (that could be supplemented by some other work for pay) and don’t have to have a car for the job either if living where there is sufficient public transportation or jobs in walking distance. I have two kids who have done this now for many summers. You can too. No lying necessary. You gotta be a go getter though.</p>
<p>Will you walk up to 5 miles when it’s pouring rain and you have to be at work? What if the bus is running late? Just sayin.</p>
<p>The transportation issue is related to location. I live in rural Vermont and so if my kids were to live at home in summers (they never do, however), they would need a car for their summer jobs. However, they have had summer jobs now for several years away from home in places where no car is needed at all. Lots of walking and subways may be involved, however. </p>
<p>I will take galoisen’s word that a car is not needed. But …wait…not sure I should take his word! LOL But it is true that in some places, reliable personal transportation would be a must. I am not sure the situation of the jobs where he is an applicant. Five miles by foot if that is the only option may raise an employer’s eyebrows.</p>
<p>I think that the key word usually is “valid” (valid driver’s license), which tells the employer that the license has not been suspended for something horrible like a DUI. Transportation to and from work is the employee’s responsibility. My past and present employers would not give a hoot about where I resided and how I would get to work - I have worked with folks who commuted to work by ferry, by bus, by kayak (!), etc.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, if the job description states a certain credential is required, you’ll have to have it.</p>
<p>Cards4Life, a person can walk faster than a bus in certain situations :)</p>
<p>OP–My own D faced a very similar dilemma this past week. For a variety of reasons, it was not possible for her to secure a job prior to HS graduation or a trip out of the country that immediately followed. We saw a family member last weekend that could get her a job at a local restaurant. He hesitated a bit but he said “Don’t tell them you’re going to school.” (the family member is an area manager or something for this particular restaurant group–all she had to do was tell him when she went into apply) That was the end of that. We don’t want to risk his reputation with his employer or employees. It would have been wrong to lie to the potential employer about her plans. D knows it. We’ll save the favor for another summer.</p>
<p>galoisen,
Do you realize how one lie is gonna lead to another in this job application process? Go back to your first post. First, you don’t want to tell the potential employer that you are a student and will be going back to school in the fall. Then, that led to your wondering what to put on the resume that you have accomplished in the past year because well, you can’t put what you really DID accomplish and don’t know what to replace it with. Lie number two. Then, you will have to provide references. But wait, you say many of your references are either tied to college or will likely mention that you are a college student (unless you ask them to lie for you…but you would not do that, right?). So, another dilemma or another set of lies. It becomes a domino effect and that is before you even get to the interview. You have to fake so much at the interview and then the next question they ask you have to be careful because you have to likely twist something else to make it fit your new story. In fact, you may even trip up as one thing will lead to another and will conflict with your story or else you’ll have to make up some new stuff as you go along.</p>
<p>On top of the whole lying issue and what problems it may cause for you…I don’t get why you would not want to have credit for what is positive about your past year and will have to leave all that off your resume. It is like a step backwards. </p>
<p>You are playing a dangerous game. You have had other threads on CC where you have taken dangerous risks and so perhaps you like to walk on the edge? Just wonderin’.</p>
<p>galoisien, I’d advise you to look around UVA for a faculty member with research funding who is willing to have an undergraduate in the laboratory this summer. If you are at third-year level in honors chemistry, this ought to be possible. Have you talked with everyone in the chemistry department? If your interest in neuroscience is related to going to med school eventually, then if you can’t find a job, it would be really worthwhile to volunteer full time in a hospital. And let everyone know that you are a student already and will continue in the fall.</p>
<p>Labs need someone to wash glassware, make buffers, clean rat cages or the like. Start with the list of the profs in all natural sciences departments and e-mail them. Many moons ago a glassware washing job allowed me to get into the lab where I eventually did my undergrad research and contributed to several papers.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, check all seasonal jobs, such as camps and city rec. centers. Check the city’s website - there may be seasonal positions advertised on it. A job that pays $10-15/hr is better than no job at all, right? While you are working that job, keep looking for fall and beyond employment. I know, the economy sucks, but there are jobs out there. You just have to paddle a bit harder to reach them. But please do not make up anything on your resume - it will come back and bite you in the rear.</p>
<p>Agree with BunsenBurner . . . or, here’s an idea: say you have a degree from Rensselaer. What are the odds that anyone will ever check? (Ha, ha, no, do not do this, in case you thought I was serious.)</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>I already have two part-time jobs…</p>
<p>I don’t know why you parents think I am being a bum or something. I already am working two PT jobs on top of my research. But I want to be a busy person. I am competition with a friend about who can have the most productive summer. So far she’s winning, with an internship at MedImmune that pays $17.50/hr for 40 hours a week.</p>
<p>If I’m going to beat her, I’ll need way more than two PT jobs.</p>
<p>Oy vey…</p>
<p>Also, she has the advantage so far, because she lives near the DC Metropolitan area, and I don’t. (Read: NoVa is prosperous and happening.)</p>
<p>Exploring other research labs at the moment, already quite optimistic. Will get back to you in a bit.</p>
<p>Admittedly she was genius enough to get networked (by her mother, who is better networked than my mother) during final exam period at 22 credits. I also had 22 credits, found myself getting screwed if I got “distracted”, and chose to postpone. Maybe that was a bad decision. Maybe it’s also a bad decision to choose to stay back in your college town without any relatives or friends because you think you can wing it.</p>
<p>(For those parents who somehow think I am back in my home state: I’M NOT.) </p>
<p>I guess I am sort of a risk taker. I enjoy adventure. I would never take any unauthorized risks on the job though. My goal is to have at least 60 hours / wk to even have a remote chance of beating her summer income. And no I’m not looking just for cushy office jobs. I love being fast paced. I love doing calculations of staggerred y = ky’’ functions in my head in order to anticipate the y’ of increased orders due to incoming customers and ramp up food production in accordance but also not fall for the mistake of increasing y’’ at the height of your y (at the same time increasing y’ is also a challenge because it involves an insane amount of multitasking and you have to calculate the right sequence of steps for maximum efficiency). I love things like that. It’s adrenaline-pumping, endorphin-releasing work (maybe in compensation for the burns you get during deep frying), and it feels rewarding.</p>
<p>It does pay lower though. So I’m expanding my search to anything I’ll get. The only thing that I haven’t done is cold calling, which I’m about to do. Actually during my explorations around C’ville I came into contact into all sorts of cool businesses that I might contact – make them think of hiring an intern or volunteer when they hadn’t contemplated before.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>What do you find unethical about competition? :S</p>