How Liberal is Seattle

<p>nocousing, if, in the other thread, you’re referring to the illustrious Daniel J. Evans, he was not exactly a conservative. He was a moderate; I wouldn’t say he leaned right at all. Pretty much the only reason Republicans stood a chance back in the day is because Seattle hadn’t reached such a critical mass…the Greater Seattle Metropolitan area, which includes King, Pierce and Snohomish counties, now has a population of roughly 3.2 million and is overwhelmingly liberal, the population of Washington state is just under 6 million. Jim McDermott, Baghdad Jim, won his last election with 80% of the vote. He is a member of the Progressive Caucus, which is rather socialist in its leanings. I tell you, Republicans do not stand much of a chance in state wide elections, and when they do win, the Democrats manage to win anyway. But keeping my fingers crossed for Dino Rossi anyway.</p>

<p>My daughter absolutely hates it at school when discussions turn political. She feels a need to keep her mouth shut tight…one of her teachers last year absolutely went off on a student for a politically incorrect (here anyway) statement and went on an hour long tirade. D said it was actually scary.</p>

<p>And while I would call myself far right now, I was not far, far right as a high school student and still recognized that the area was pretty liberal. But much less so than today.</p>

<p>The mayor just passed a resolution to ban handguns from the city. Its a pretty liberal city. Actually makes me wonder if the mayors of Chicago, Seattle, DC, and Philly are all the same person under different disguises (getting my tinfoil hat out!)</p>

<p>Ever since Dino Rossi stated his anti-biotech position, he lost many would be supporters among the folks I know.</p>

<p>Alas, when I read about Seattle these days from afar, often I don’t know what to think. I agree that some of the reactions and comments I read, from left-leaning folks, are really over the top. But I admire what the city and region’s leaders did when I was growing up. Things like the Forward Thrust projects, the restoration (cleaning) of Lake Washington, and one of the best mass transit systems in the world. The other side of the contemporary political/public coin is, in no particular order, mediocre public schools; the flight of family households out of the city; niddling, overbearing and unnecesary municipal laws, causal enforcement of public safety laws, overdevelopment and gentrification. A prime example of the nasty attitude of some “progressives” is the writer Dan Savage. I don’t care a wit about his orientation, but I’ve listened to his comments on broadcast interviews…the guy is absolutely un-interested in the lives of ordinary people, families and anyone whom isn’t a part of his “hip society.” I’d say he’s even hostile. That’s what often bothers me about Seattle politics today. People have moved to the region and brought their biases and agendas with them from whereever they came from. Seattle used to be a place where you went to get away from the battles that plagued the rest of the country. The nature of the Northwest’s urban culture has changed for the worse. And I don’t believe it has anything to do with the changing ethnic demographics. Politically, Evans and Spelman were great public officials (well, Spelman was an unsuccessful Governor but a great County Executive and essentially is the father of modern Seattle/King County. Those kind of Republicans are hard to find these days. As for Democrats, there are few legitimate heirs of Maggie, Scoop and even Jim Dwyer.</p>

<p>Ah, Henry Jackson…a Democrat for whom I could happily have voted. Those were the days.</p>

<p>Spellman, agreed, he was an okay county exec, but an absolutely horrible governor, so bad it actually motivated me to vote for Booth Gardner, the only Democrat for whom I’ve ever voted. Spellman was better than Mike “Yasser Arafat” Lowry, though.</p>

<p>Dino may have lost some supporters, but Christine Gregoire has not exactly been a resounding success as governor. It should be interesting.</p>

<p>It is overwhelmingly liberal, and surprisingly (and ironically) intolerant of most conservative viewpoints. In fact, that was an argument brought against Dave Reichert, a representative from the 8th district. Policy? Haha. No, he was “conservative.”</p>

<p>The people seem out of touch with reality in Seattle, something that LakeWashington alluded to. Most of these people have never met a farmer, honestly do laugh at the idea that someone in Texas could be intelligent, and have not traveled farther than Canada. I was shocked at how isolated Seattle in particular was. The fact that there is a lot of money due to Microsoft (and LOT of it) kind of helps the bubble become even more imprisoning.</p>

<p>For the record, our Congress is overwhelmingly Democratic, and the Republican viewpoint is indeed muzzled. Many people called for change, and wrote letters to the Seattle Times. They wanted to end the Republican menace, and elect more Democrats. I spit out my coffee, half-crying and half-laughing. It is truly an awful state politically, because there is no diversity and no acceptance of views that are not arch-liberal. You would be hard-pressed to find moderate viewpoints.</p>

<p>For example, someone anti-abortion who doesn’t mind gay marriage, is against capital punishment, but doesn’t care about the environment would be labeled “conservative.” Being pro-Bush automatically qualifies you as not only super-Republican and super-conservative, but also dumb. No kidding.</p>

<p>Interestingly enough, a new piece of legislation is going to be voted on in November, about euthanasia (I-1000). A lawyer wrote an article saying that there were loopholes. Regardless of whether she was correct, people were outraged. I just finished reading 4 letters to the editor blasting her column, her practice, her character, and her pet fish (okay, not the last one). Alternative viewpoints are muzzled.</p>

<p>Finally, the city is incredibly PC. Anything that might be in any way offensive is not said for fear of being ostracized. “That’s so gay” is not heard as frequently as elsewhere, especially in some of the private schools and public schools. Seattle is very racially-conscious, despite the dearth of blacks. We are also incredibly environmentally conscious, and have had problems with eco-terrorism recently. These issues are just as important than the Iraq War to many voters (the economy is more important to most). Seattle loves Fahrenheit 9/11 and An Inconvenient Truth.</p>

<p>So, there you go. If you want to live in a city where dogmatic liberal policies are the norm and you don’t want to ever run into a conservative, then live here. If you want to live in a city where everyone cares about the environment and there are a decent number of bikers and an increasingly used public transport system due to gas prices, live here. If you want to hear people rant about poverty and Darfur while relaxing on their futons in the 5000+ sq. feet mansions with their boat docked right outside (e.g. people in my neighborhood), live here. If you want incredibly inefficient state and city governments that have spent billions on a monorail that never comes and can’t decide what to do with a Viaduct, come here. If you want to be in a state where the Democratic gubernatorial candidate lost and demanded two recounts, and won the second one because they found bags full of votes that all happened to be for her, live in Seattle. </p>

<p>I say this as a moderate-to-slightly-conservative on social issues. I share my beliefs with… 2 or 3 people I know. I know a lot of people. When I say that it lacks diversity, I’m really not kidding. Seattle is NOT diverse. It is one of the most homogeneous places in which I’ve lived, which apparently doesn’t bother those whom I find to be hypocritical.</p>

<p>That’s my experience.</p>

<p>Sources: Seattle Times, government documents, my neighborhood, various malls in the area, my school, my other schools, the Seattle/Bellevue pubic school districts, etc.</p>

<p>I’m not trying to say that Seattle is bad. I’m saying it really is a bad place for conservatives. And I bet that if you took a poll, most Seattlelites would say that they don’t need conservatives for a functional city. They don’t have many now. Don’t expect your viewpoint to be welcome, and don’t expect people to want to have discussions about anything, really. That’s for the committees, made up largely of Democrats. </p>

<p>Seattle is hip, and there is a jazz scene, nightclubs, etc. that appeal to many college students. It is, however, a very expensive city.</p>

<p>Yup–the kingdom of the self-righteous liberal has found a home in Seattle.</p>

<p>^Basically a much more concise way of saying what I said. :p</p>

<p>Mostly a bunch of rightwing corporate shils masquerading as “progresssives”.</p>

<p>Baelor, you mentioned eco-terrorism and I just want to expand on that a bit. It is not uncommon for every day people in the Seattle area to say things like, “Oh, did you hear about the fire at Echo Lake? I so understand why they did that.” (FYI, the fire at Echo Lake was set by ELF to protest the <em>possible</em> damage to nearby wetlands, 5 million dollar+ homes under construction were burned.) Yes, we’re talking about people who will not condemn terrorism out of hand but rather give tacit approval. It boggles the mind. And actually, if you tow the liberal line on every issue except abortion, you’re considered conservative. Or the environment. And just for the record, yes, everyone in Seattle loves the environment. Even the Republicans. </p>

<p>When I said my daughter was afraid to speak up at school on any political issue, I was not exaggerating. It remains to be seen how she will fare in AP Gov/Pol this year. I have many, many liberal friends who tell me all the time…“but you’re intelligent, how can you be a Republican?”</p>

<p>^ May be you are a, Nixonion Republican? rather than Bushian Republican? </p>

<p>Bad business to alienate current and potential customers.</p>

<p>:)</p>

<p>Trying to work myself into completing, Patrick Buchanan’s, Day of Reckoning, How, Hubris, Ideology, and Greed are Tearing America Apart. One long diatribe on current R’s, coming from an R. (I like his style of wordsmithing)</p>

<p>Baelor, you gave us a lot to chew on. We’re in agreement on some matters. But let me add that I believe the public affairs of the city have become a victim of the national divide between the parties. That is, there are so few Daniel Evans, John Spellmans, Jim Kraabels and even Slade Gortons around today; northwest Republicans feel pressure from the national party, to whom they don’t necessarily walk stride-for-stride with. Eastside Congresswoman Jennifer Dunn rose fairly in the the republican ranks, but she hit a wall and thus wasn’t as visible as a Republican Party star in her last couple of terms. And of course, the national Democratic Pary has made a hard left move lately, despite the fact the President Bill Clinton was a DLC guy (Charles Robb, Evan Bayh etc.); moderate-to-conservative Democrats.</p>

<p>But I digress.</p>

<p>I believe that the relative liberalism of Seattle was a great and proud development 40 years ago. The place wasn’t Shangri La but it was absolutely a city of opportunity for newcomers of all stripes. Unfortunately today, the city is being mocked as either San Franciso North or ‘Sea Angeles;’ places where the rule seems to be anything goes, as long as someone else is accountable for it and if the influential activists agree with it.</p>

<h1>2. Personally I see banning handguns is a R initiative. Consolidation of Power into a select few, thereby creating a monopoly of force.</h1>

<p>““That’s so gay” is not heard as frequently as elsewhere”</p>

<p>Are you saying that this is a good thing or a bad thing?</p>

<p>“Are you saying that this is a good thing or a bad thing?”</p>

<p>I never said that anything in my response was a good thing or a bad thing for everyone. I said it depended on who you are: If you value diverse viewpoints, don’t move to Seattle. If you are conservative, don’t move to Seattle. If you are liberal and don’t mind not being near or don’t want conservatives, move to Seattle. But Seattle is homogeneous without much racial diversity (white/Asian are the largest groups, IIRC; very few blacks). </p>

<p>For the record, I don’t agree with all aspects of political correctness. I don’t like the phrase “That’s so gay.”</p>

<p>it is overly liberal to the point that that school district was promoting the view that only whites were racist & that, racism, in Caucasians was a foregone conclusion.</p>

<p>Despite economy, utility rates in the city are going up, because when people conserve, the utilities aren’t making enough profit.
:rolleyes:
[Local</a> News | Seattle could face utility-rate increases in '09 | Seattle Times Newspaper](<a href=“http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008087464_seattlerates02m0.html]Local”>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008087464_seattlerates02m0.html)</p>

<p>I wouldn’t say the city is agressively liberal, but good luck trying to get your agenda heard, if you are not upper socioeconomic group who would benefit from more people buying more stuff.
If you disagree with the mayor, he tells you to " chill", which to my mind is the same as saying STF up.
<a href=“http://www.crosscut.com/mossback/16398/In+Seattle,+let+the+people+‘chill’/”>http://www.crosscut.com/mossback/16398/In+Seattle,+let+the+people+‘chill’/&lt;/a&gt;
[Mayor’s</a> ‘walk more’ plan stumbles over sidewalks](<a href=“http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/375484_sidewalks19.html]Mayor’s”>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/375484_sidewalks19.html)</p>

<p>I am not conservative & I love Dan Savage. ( not in the biblical sense of course)</p>

<p>Seattle = San Francisco</p>

<p>^ With tons of money. I mean, there are so many 35-year-old retired Microsoft employees here it’s unbelievable.</p>

<p>“I believe that the relative liberalism of Seattle was a great and proud development 40 years ago. The place wasn’t Shangri La but it was absolutely a city of opportunity for newcomers of all stripes.”</p>

<p>Forty years ago (or 38 to be exact), the city was an absolute shambles. You could buy a boarded up house in the U District for $7,500, and there were dozens if not hundreds of them. Unemployment was soaring. Roads looked like some Third World country after a U.S. bombing. Ports were polluted. </p>

<p>Ah, for the good old days.</p>

<p>Will the last person out of Seattle please turn out the lights?</p>