<p>Both my mom and I are planning to domicile in Michigan next April and I’ll be attending UM in Fall 2012, we are currently overseas and we don’t have any ties with any other states
UM’s website doesn’t mention like most other universities the 1 year prior to attending condition to be classified as a resident
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<p>the second issue is that UM applying deadline is February 1st and the FAFSA deadline is March 2nd, and I won’t be able to receive any state grants or scholarships like UM grant,
what if I filed a residency application to the registrar office anywhere between April and September 2012 ?? presuming that it gets approved, will my financial aid package be adjusted ?</p>
<p>oh, I forgot to ask if it’d be wise to mention that I’m a resident on both my UM application and FAFSA even if the deadline predates my moving date</p>
<p>Did you graduate from high school in Michigan? The application will ask if you are applying as a resident or a non resident and if you didn’t graduate from a Michigan high school, there’s a good chance they’re going to ask you to prove that you have a right to be classified as such. Besides, I thought you were moving to California?</p>
<p>no i didn’t graduate from a HS in Michigan but my mom and i want to make it our permanent residence, and yes i was planning to move to Cali to attend college this fall but things changed, thanks for asking :)</p>
<p>You are planning on moving to Michigan. You do not live there, so you will get nothing because you are oos. In short, you will not be eligible for in-state. In addition, you will have to apply your residency application before sept 30. Will you and your mom be physically and able to demonstrate permanent domicile in the state by then?</p>
<p>we should be there before april and we are planning to work full time and permanently reside in the state … but not sure if i should consider my self a resident or not on the UM application which has to be filed before february 1st</p>
<p>You can’t consider yourself as a resident on your application, because you will not be a resident at the time of your application. </p>
<p>You will have to petition to see if they will change your status to being a resident once you have moved there and attempted to establish residency. Whether you will have any success in doing so when you will have only moved there 3-4 months before school starts is something only the school will be able to tell you, but it would be fairly unusual.</p>
<p>If all else fails you may have to wait a year to go to school. Once your Mom has lived and worked there for a year it will be easier to prove that you are in fact a resident and have not just moved there for the purpose of going to schools there.</p>
<p>You are on a risky slope, MahmoudKhalil. There is a strong likelihood that you will not be considered an instate resident in Michigan. Fact is…you don’t reside there and according to the info on the Michigan website, you will not have established your "domicile’ in Michigan for sufficient time before you enroll…never mind that you won’t be a resident at ALL when you apply. </p>
<p>You are expecting the state to do a special consideration of your residencey status so they can give you thousands of dollars in aid that the Michigan taxpayers have contributed to? I do not think this is going to happen.</p>
<p>Many folks living outside of the U.S. find themselves in the SAME situation when they return to go to college…they are NOT residents of any state and do not have instate residency classification in ANY state. That is the way it is.</p>
<p>Best plan would be to come here…move to Michigan (or wherever you plan to become a permanent resident), meet THAT state’s instate residency requirement AND THEN apply to colleges…might mean a gap year.</p>
<p>Just to note - Michigan is notoriously tough on those seeking residency status. When I applied to grad school at U of M, I was originally classified as non-resident, even though I had lived, worked, and paid taxes in Michigan for 25 years. It took me 6 months to get my case appealed and my status changed.</p>
<p>Their reason? I had graduated from an out-of-state high school and undergrad school 20+ years ago (even though I’d lived here for 25 years since then.) It’s a very tough system.</p>
<p>Residency is determined based on the rules of the state, colleges have very little leeway to make exceptions. What you saying is “I will settle in your state after I get admission, please give me in state status”. Extending that logic, anyone should be able get in status in any state, all they have to say is “I will come to your state, join your state school, get a job (or my parents will get a job), I need instant residency”. The concept of out of state then becomes moot. To prevent that from happening, most states have minimum period of residency and proof that you are there in the state for things other than education. Paying taxes, owning a houses, having a non campus job etc, are some examples. Remember, the person in the school who makes the determination has been doing this job for years, and they have seen just about everything. From what I have heard, they follow the rules very strictly, especially in this economy. </p>
<p>I am not sure which state will give instant residency. As thumper1 says, your mother may need to move one year earlier, or you need to take a gap year, or pay one year out of state tuition, or go to a community college and transfer after one year etc. There are choices, not the one you may like.</p>
<p>Also, I assume you and your mother are citizens or green card holders of the US. If not, rules may be different.</p>
<p>^Sorry, mazewanderer, but technically not true. The schools make the residency rules and UMich is abnormally harsh and gives no leeway. I have been through this process expressly at UMich and their RULES are entirely different than every other college in the state of Michigan – because, you guessed it, every international or OOS student who <em>can</em> does <em>try</em> to find a way to get instate tuition.</p>
<p>First off, if you are not eligible PRIOR to attending UMich, you will be paying OOS fees for the balance of your days at UMich. You also will very very likely NEVER qualify under those circumstances to be considered in-state, because UMichigan considers your point of origin BEFORE attendance and WILL NOT CONSIDER subsequent relocation after attendance begins. UMich ALWAYS assumes that moving to Michigan AFTER a student enrolls is a mechanism by which to avoid paying OOS fees.</p>
<p>Secondly, the absolute minimum you would need to be otherwise entertained as “in-state” would be Permanent Residency (Green Card) status AND EVIDENCE that you have absolutely no ties to any other country – that means no property or money held elsewhere.</p>
<p>So, if you’re already an American citizen, move as planned and DO NOT APPLY to Michigan until you are already a fully legal permanent resident AND STILL DO NOT BE SURPRISED to find you may STILL not be a resident. You will have to prove that your mom moved here for work (not to FIND work), and NOT because you wanted to go to school here.</p>
<p>Hopefully, you are getting a sense of just how difficult this proposition is, and will plan accordingly. Best wishes.</p>
<p>Please do not lie, ever, on a residency issue. It is very, very easy to figure out where a person has been living – particularly when you are a person whose job it is to search out the liars (believe me, thousands of dollars are at stake, so the University has folks who scour the lists for the liars).</p>
<p>For starters, if I were running a University billing office, I would have the computer give me a file of all students whose high school transcripts were from schools outside of Michigan (easy to do by zip code). I would also have the computer build a file of students who did not provide a MI drivers license number (not everyone has a driver’s license, but most teens do). Thirdly, I’d have a contact over at the state driver’s license bureau and we’d have a cross file check of all incoming students with driver’s licenses and the state would cheerfully tell me if any of the drivers’ licenses had been issued within the last 12 months. </p>
<p>These lists would be the place to BEGIN the search for the liars. There’s lots of other search criteria (for instance, the first three digits of your SSN indicate your state of birth and I might be interested in all students born outside of MI). </p>
<p>There would be kids on the various lists who would be valid MI residents. As I researched through the list, those kids would never even know they had been scrutinized. But some of the kids would be . . . easy to Google and find out that they had won a scholarship or been on a sports team or had a Facebook page that I could easily check for more data. </p>
<p>In three days of work, I could probably zero in on the handful of students who were lying about their residency status. The University could a) bill them for nonresidency status or b) boot them from campus on an honor violation. </p>
<p>So, don’t dink around. Don’t kid yourself. REad the rules on the MI website and live by them. Don’t engage in wishful thinking. </p>
<p>You may need to move to MI and live there a year before you enroll in college. Good luck.</p>
<p>I never said I’m willing to lie at anytime, I was just confused whether to answer yes or no to the residency question according to where I’ll be residing at the time of filling out the admission application or at the time of enrollment … It’s highly possible that I’ll be taking a gap year in MI</p>
WELL I know of TWO students from OOS who APPLIED to MICHIGAN and SUBSEQUENTLY moved there WITH their PARENTS, who became EMPLOYED RESIDENTS, and the STUDENTS each received IN-STATE status AFTER a YEAR. So it’s definitely POSSIBLE to DO that, EVEN if it IS hard.</p>
<p>^Did they have their jobs/transfer first before applying for the residency change of status, and are they already US citizens?
The ACLU fought a case a few years ago over a couple, married and working in michigan, whereby the wife wanted to go back to school at umich and was charged OOS rate because she’d originally been out of state prior to her husband starting grad school several years earlier. The university’s argument was based on intent and origin.</p>
<p>If the poster and his mom have legal citizenship AND his mother has secured a job in advance and relocates, the op would have a strong case, though they may still look at any ties to another country.
If they’re not already us citizens or permanent residents, there will be problems all the
way around. </p>
<p>I am a permanent resident whose son attended middle and high school in MICHIGAN, who owns a business and is married to a us citizen and who paid (and continues to pay) taxes entirely in Michigan and my son was STILL classed as an international student until I marshaled a mountain of evidence otherwise, including demonstrating no ties to my former country.</p>